Though I'm not in favour of arming police in general I'd have said that in this specific incident, if they happened to be armed officers, it would have been useful. We don't know the exact details but its highly unlikely they both died instantly (its not CS) one or more of them might have survived if they were armed.
Manchester Police Officer killed during arrest.
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Though I'm not in favour of arming police in general I'd have said that in this specific incident, if they happened to be armed officers, it would have been useful. We don't know the exact details but its highly unlikely they both died instantly (its not CS) one or more of them might have survived if they were armed.
[TW]Fox;22798650 said:Exactly. He had a grenade for goodness sake and they thought it was a routine call. They'd have been dead before they had a chance to react
I like living in a society where there is not a requirement for our police to routinely carry firearms.
Your society is ever changing, when is it?
I have a complete and utter distaste for those who take innocent lives criminally, I can't even quantify how little I care about them, completely digusting behaviour.
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If you stopped reading the daily mail you would realize that our country isn't failing. You can look up the figures yourself crime rates, over the last few years have been at an all time low.
We don't need our police officers to have guns just because of very rare events like this.
We don't need our police officers to have guns just because of very rare events like this.
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I've read that 3 times now and I'm still not sure what you are asking. When is what?
One of the greatest and most underappreciated things about this country is that the police do not normally carry or are ever seen with firearms. When you arrive in the country then it immediately suggests the police are there as mediators of the peace rather than arbitrary enforcers. It is a real positive - I don't know why anyone would want it changed even in light of this event.
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And that's the thing that most don't understand Von.
What is upsetting is that there are certain people who are using our colleagues, who were killed in the line of duty, as martyrs for the pension debacle... disgraceful in my opinion.
We all turn up to jobs, every day, of every week, where you're not quite too sure what it could develop into.
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[TW]Fox;22798650 said:Exactly. He had a grenade for goodness sake and they thought it was a routine call. They'd have been dead before they had a chance to react
I like living in a society where there is not a requirement for our police to routinely carry firearms.
Here here.
And the fact that they have NO NEED to carry to carry firearms and that it'll do little to nothing to help, and if anything make the situation worse.
Well yes but that doesn't negate the fact that you can have body armour which is both ballistic and stab-proof. Why just have one or the other?
I respect the Coppers on the beat for not carrying guns, I have chatted with active Coppers & class a few of them as my friends & they certainly don't want to carry a gun whilst they work.
It's quite simple, If the Cops carry guns then the Criminals will as well & there will be many more gun related deaths than there has ever been.
Thoughts go out to those lost & those related.
Personally I think it takes a pretty brave dude to go out in a Police uniform these days & walk the streets. The fact that these 2 women were doing the same is Awesome & they get instant respect from me. I only wish I could show my respect for them in a better way than typing a few words here.
It's quite simple, If the Cops carry guns then the Criminals will as well & there will be many more gun related deaths than there has ever been.
Thoughts go out to those lost & those related.
Personally I think it takes a pretty brave dude to go out in a Police uniform these days & walk the streets. The fact that these 2 women were doing the same is Awesome & they get instant respect from me. I only wish I could show my respect for them in a better way than typing a few words here.
Well yes but that doesn't negate the fact that you can have body armour which is both ballistic and stab-proof. Why just have one or the other?
the choice made is likely going to be a compromise in the level of protection offered to each threat (unless you're thinking about covering them with ceramic plates all over) - surprisingly enough knives pose a much more regular threat
do you honestly think they haven't considered what would be appropriate for the threats they tend to face
This is said a lot, is there any real life correlation to this and not police arming themselves to keep up with criminals arming themselves?
Just to make myself clear, I'm not saying they should, I'm curious about some of the reason people think they shouldn't as if it was a matter of fact without going into detail. I'm not sure it's so clean cut an answer.
Yes, insofar as how much money they can save when weighing up how often a cop is subject to gunfire.
My point stands IMHO - I don't believe we should arm all cops but increasing their protection simply by upgrading the plates within their existing body armour to proper ballistic protection is a good idea.
Unfortunately it takes incidents such as this to make this sort of change happen. It wasn't until a cop got stabbed to death in the 90's that a police force decided to equip all officers with body armour. Body armour was deemed "not appropriate for the threats they faced"
Edit: For example, the MET have apparently upgraded their old body armour from stab only to include ballistic protection as well covering upto 9mm and .357 Magnum (HG1A). Be good to know if the other forces have followed.... Von?
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GMP body armour is ballistic. It's also bad enough on your back after a ten hour shift, I don't think I'd want to wear anything heavier.
Good to hear (not about the back though). The standard ballistic is enough for handguns so you don't need anything heavier unless you come up against an AK47 or high powered rifle.
I think the other serious issue it raises for Police Officers if all were armed is the consequences of a split second judgement, currently a tiny minority of highly trained and experienced police officers have the responsibility of deciding when and when not to use lethal force. If we arm all police officers they will all carry this serious responsibility from the day they finish training and I don't think most of them want that sort of pressure.
In 2010-11 there were only three incidents wher armed officers discharged their weapons this number would surely increase if all officers were armed and this instantly raises the likelyhood of future mistakes and the tarnishing of police relationships even further.
totla respect to the officers who lost their lives, they do a difficult job and by the looks of it were setup by a calculating cold blodded killer. Thoughts are with their families and friends.
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Don't think arming the police is the answer it just ups the ante with criminals, it'll take crime to another level, our crime figures are no different to any other country, no gun would have saved the two WPC's, weren't they walking to the house?
The police service attract people who want to help the community it'll all change if they are armed and they attract waves of people that just want to holster a gun.
The police service attract people who want to help the community it'll all change if they are armed and they attract waves of people that just want to holster a gun.