So you have no counter-argument.
If they are abusive report them there is a button on the left.
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So you have no counter-argument.
If they are abusive report them there is a button on the left.
Argument against what? You have made no points in your recent posts, you have just resorted to thinly veiled name calling.
I pointed out that I suspect you like most people would not have the nerve or bravery to challenge such militia type people. Never did I say that was a bad thing - personally I think it's quite sensible. My point then extrapolates onto how can you then criticise people for not doing something you yourself and most of us would not have the bravery to do.
That's hardly name calling is it.
You're being a bit of a numpty to be honest.
I'll swear the guy was even agreeing with a point you made earlier on in this thread, before you decided to argue against him for some reason?!
Now that is name-calling.
Edit: and as to your later remark there he is saying exactly about the riots what I've been saying about these protesters. I see similarities and was querying why he can not see the driving factors in one group and not the other. To date no one has answered me why this is a problem with Muslims - why 0.001% of the worlds Muslim population is totally representative of the 99.999% and why their faith is the driving factor to the total exclusion of any sociological condition, the attitude and actions of the West and/or history between the nations. etc. We'll happily consider those factors for rioters in this country but not in others - there lies the seeds of prejudice.
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Now that is name-calling.
More an opinion of current attitude/behaviour though...
One of which of course you are all entitled to. Me I see some very short-sighted people on these forums who fail to look beyond the obvious for the root causes of issues and display an obvious prejudice to things they quite clearly don't understand. Understanding and empathy towards why such behaviour may occur does not mean acceptance or condoning it.
Prove me wrong. When someone answers the above I'll quite happily accept it. Place it in its correct context and I'll agree I've said it myself already. Balls all in your court - but the threads being going on long enough and yet no-one can do this. And they then call the other people blinkered.
No one is pretending it's an easy solution - Everyone realises the problems we are witnessing are down to issues in the cultural DNA of these people, be it political, religious or historical, or an mixture of all of them.
But I think it's plane to see, the only way it will change is by the culture changing from within. We cannot force it, and we won't be able to bend over sufficiently to appease it.
There seems to plenty of people in thread suggesting it is not a complex milieu at all but down to one isolated condition ... one faith increases the potentiality towards violence.
As to the second paragraph I guess they are saying the same from the alternative point of view.
Well, one or more cultures do seem predisposed to this sort of nonsense. If it's coincidence or not that there's predominantly one religion involved too is another debate. Personally I think it's coincidence... ie: They could just as easily be fanatical Christians, but it just so happens the regions/countries are more aligned to Islam...
Yes, which is exactly my point. So why then not attribute this behaviour towards the conditions in those countries that cause the behaviour rather than attribute towards the religion. Again it is correlated not causative otherwise the other 99.999% would be on the streets across the world.
BUT the majority in this thread are not doing that are they are targeting the correlated and ignoring the causative ...
Edit: Let's take the Guardian article here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/22/libyan-protesters-militia-benghazi
"Libyan protesters force Islamist militia out of Benghazi"
Are they only Islamic when they do things we don't like?
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Because, "Libyan protesters force idiotic-fanatical-individuals-who-are-intolerant-and-violent-over-their-religion out of Benghazi" doesn't have the same ring to it
The thing is, these stupid antics have now become synonymous with Islam I'm afraid. It's time for it to clean up its own act. We can't do it...
Isn't that because they say "Islamist" not "Islamic", i thought Islamist referred to those who relived strongly in the destruction/conversion of all non Muslims.
Because, "Libyan protesters force idiotic-fanatical-individuals-who-are-intolerant-and-violent-over-their-religion out of Benghazi" doesn't have the same ring to it
The thing is, these stupid antics have now become synonymous with Islam I'm afraid. It's time for it to clean up its own act. We can't do it...
And then how can such a thing be addressed when you are reinforcing the prejudice and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. We have seen this with discrimination and prejudice in that past.
Not at all. Islamism would be broadly defined as the extrapolation of Islamic tenants into all the spheres of life. It is most certainly not as you detail. To be honest the word should not really be used as it covers so many variations and in its broadest definition, as I detailed, then really does not become that useful at all to clarify what is actually meant. In the context of that article Islamist would more likely be appropriate for the people it is not used for rather than the militants who are not really demonstrating 'good' translation of the principles into the political sphere.
What a comprehensive dictionary that must be!
Almost as encompassing as this definition:
google - define islamist and you get: "Web definitions: a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studies. wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn"
Not quite as insidious but likewise equally lacking I think.
Let's see what wiki says with a bit more info!
Pakistan minister offers $100,00 bounty for death of film maker...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19690210
As I've said before, the powers that be within these cultures need to stop condoning and supporting violence, yet alone putting bounties on people's lives. This mindset is 400 years out of date and needs to catch up with the rest of the planet, quickly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19690210
As I've said before, the powers that be within these cultures need to stop condoning and supporting violence, yet alone putting bounties on people's lives. This mindset is 400 years out of date and needs to catch up with the rest of the planet, quickly.
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Do WHAT to me?
Joking aside, for all the problems this video is causing, it's showing a lot of people for their true colours...
And there we do agree it is showing people in their true colours ... all across the world. So many hateful, intolerant, judgmental, bigoted, narrow-minded, etc etc people - it's quite sad really that people can not just accept that people are different and leave it at that. Unfortunately, we have two cultures that seemingly are unhappy unless they are trying to force themselves onto others whilst being totally unwilling to see the damage that they cause.