GTR or Spec R or Type R?

Surely thread title should read.... GTR or RX7 TT or Supra TT?

I wouldnt put the other 2 in the same catorgory as a GTR!
 
I have just checked the power to weight of a Evo 8 FQ300 and it is 201bhp to the ton so with an Ibiza 1.8t with 200bhp to the ton people honestly think it isn't going to be close performance wise once you take into account the 0-60 time of the Evo is mainly due to 4wd getting all the power down.

An M3 has a power to weight ratio of around 207bhp to the ton (if the quick google search gave the right figures) so again performance wise it is going to be close, no doubt past 100 where the M3 gets into a stride it will be left behind but for short blasts sub 100 I can see the Ibiza keeping up.

It wasn't long ago that posters on here were saying the same car with 25% more power offered very similar performance on road to the lower powered model.
 
The R32 GTR is one of the best looking and sounding cars ever IMO. Abit boring inside but that noise is just epic :D

The S2000 is ok - but not in the league of the S15 or R32.
 
To usher this thread back towards topic.

It depends what you want, as in my mind those three offer different "experiences"

GTR - Has the potential to be a silly silly silly fast car down straights and around corners the proper way , they feel fairly "safe" because the chassis is so capable and wont try and kill you on your way to work, plus it has colt status.

S15 -Can also become a very fast car, but more of a handling challenge as even when properly sorted they prefer to steer from the rear - a high powered one can be an exciting (read "new pants") drive as it requires you to be on the ball. It will never be as fast as a GTR though (imho) as the SR20, while a good engine, isnt an RB

S2000 - A properly sorted one is a cornering machine, but IMHO they feel a little low on power compared to the others. Go drive one and see what you think!
 
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You still don't get the point that this thread isn't about this. I don't think my ibiza is a world beater, I never once said that. Hence why I'm after a proper car. If this doesn't get back on topic i'll get the thread closed. Once again if you have no good input about an r32 gtr, silvia s15 or s2000 please leave this thread alone.
 
Thank you for your input guys, I want it to be a daily driver aswell until I can afford to run two cars. Will try and book some test drives soon :)
Any other cars I should be looking out for?
 
Dangerous Dave said:
I have just checked the power to weight of a Evo 8 FQ300 and it is 201bhp to the ton so with an Ibiza 1.8t with 200bhp to the ton people honestly think it isn't going to be close performance wise once you take into account the 0-60 time of the Evo is mainly due to 4wd getting all the power down.

An M3 has a power to weight ratio of around 207bhp to the ton (if the quick google search gave the right figures) so again performance wise it is going to be close, no doubt past 100 where the M3 gets into a stride it will be left behind but for short blasts sub 100 I can see the Ibiza keeping up.

It wasn't long ago that posters on here were saying the same car with 25% more power offered very similar performance on road to the lower powered model.
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Someone with some sense, thank the lord!
 
dave_beast said:
220bhp, 235lb/ft, 1140kg, short gearing, do you not even accept, with a nerfed Evo on the wrong wheels, that it could be possible?
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Out of interest, how have you had the gear ratios and final drive modified? I'm genuinely curious :)

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An incorrect offset wheel on an Evo will throw most of the geometry out and undo what Mitsubishi R&D did.
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I will, however, bite at this one. The offset of the wheel will not affect the suspension geometry whatsoever - yes, it may have an effect on mechanical grip, but unless the wheels are massively over or undersized then this would be minimal. But given that we are quoting 0-60 times and the like, ("high 5's" in your case) then we're discussing straight line performance - in which case, the suspension geometry has nothing to do with it, unless of course you're trying to tell us all that fitting different wheels to a car can cause massive amounts of toe in/out, so much so that it has a detrimental effect on acceleration?

There's no doubt here that 220bhp in a DS3/Ibiza is a decent amount, and I'm sure the cars are plenty quick enough for the road, but don't be kidding yourself that they're performance cars - they weren't designed with it in mind, they are generic, relatively cheap hatchbacks, albeit with slightly more powerful engines than the norm to keep things interesting - nothing wrong with that, but you seem to be living in a dream world where you can have Lancer Evolutions and BMW M3's struggling to keep up.
 
For a daily drive I can't help but think a R32 is a little too specialised. Plus they look crap IMO.

I've driven many cars and still the S2000 appeals for me. It's a marmite car but I like marmite, some people 'get' them, others don't and are more interested in straight line armchairs :D
 
When did either of us say there performance cars or evos/m3s struggle to keep up? As previously stated look at the power to weight of all cars in question. All very similar!
If you want to continue your 'debate' start another thread!!
 
Jewish Afghan said:
When did either of us say there performance cars or evos/m3s struggle to keep up?
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dave_beast said:
Well it was desperately trying to keep up, so was definitely "bothered"
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:)

Back on topic, if you're genuinely interested in all 3 cars, then go and drive them all - only you can choose which car is right for you. As far as I'm aware though, the S15 wasn't particularly quick in stock form - are you specifically looking at modified examples of each car, or standard examples?
 
Unfortunately this kind of stupid derailment happens when you get people of a substandard level of intelligence claiming that their generic hatchback can 'eat' at Evo or M3.

Anyway I'd be going with the S2000 if it was me, the other options for me are enthusiasts cars and unless you want that car specifically I wouldn't bother.
 
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Back on topic, if you're genuinely interested in all 3 cars, then go and drive them all - only you can choose which car is right for you. As far as I'm aware though, the S15 wasn't particularly quick in stock form - are you specifically looking at modified examples of each car, or standard examples?
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My mistake, I haven't read all of it as I couldn't be bothered :)

I'm looking at stock form of all cars with intent to modify.
 
[TW]Fox;22843540 said:
Since when has the Ibiza weighed only 1000kg? The Cupra appears to be closer to 1150kg. This is 173bhp/tonne if it has 200bhp.
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Standard car is 1100kgs, but mine is lightened quite a bit.

Does anyone have any knowledge on the S14? is the S15 a huge step up from it or were there only minor changes made?
 
as for the cars mentioned in the OP, they are were epic cars.

all these years later, though, they wont be anywhere as epic as they once where with years and years of wear on the suspension. its the handling and power that make these cars what they are.

do you fancy a suspension overhaul on an R32?
 
Jewish Afghan said:
Standard car is 1100kgs, but mine is lightened quite a bit.
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Out of interest, do the wheels you have fitted match the offset as intended by Seat? As you may have the "wrong" offset wheels fitted your car's performance may be handicapped :(

Jewish Afghan said:
Does anyone have any knowledge on the S14? is the S15 a huge step up from it or were there only minor changes made?
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There's quite a few posters on here who have owned/do own S14s - AFAIK they're available for quite a lot less money, but finding a good condition standard example may be a difficult task.
 
I know an R32, with her old age, will take some decent amount of modifying to get close to what she once was.
But I'm prepared to do that if it brings a lot of joyful miles down A and B roads.
Still very tempted to get the newer S15 with little work will be similar in power to a standard R32...If you want to start a debate if they will be similar performance figures, be my guest ;)
 
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