Missing girl 15, runs off with Maths teacher.

PiKe said:
How can it be consensual with a minor? They're not old enough to make adult decisions like that, they're very impressionable.
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lol i only have to take a look at my cousins year 10 facebook page to see how impressionable they really are. Some of the pics and messages on there make me blanch and i am 32 and a man of the world
 
Castiel said:
The is still an offence definition right up until the age of 18, particularly regarding those with a position of trust...such as a Teacher.
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I was correcting the statutory rape. Pre-13 consent is irrelevant, there is deemed to be no capacity to consent therefore no consent is given therefore it's rape in all cases. Then the law changes at 13,14,15 to still classing the intercourse as unlawful but with consent considered, this age is moved upward though with people in positions of responsibility to add in 16,17.

So this chap is quite clearly falling afoul of UK law.
 
Third Opinion said:
Agreed totally.

Plus this guy has given up his house, his job, his career and what looks like a very beautiful new wife. What for, a 15 year old?
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In fairness what they've done won't have affected his career at all. He was about to be suspended which by the looks of things is the cause of why they fled the country. His career was already gone.

So all he's left with is his house and wife who 1) he was arguing with constantly by reports and 2) would doubtfully have stayed with him after being suspended.

I actually think the timing of this was very well thought out and planned and not a whim at all.
 
Things like this just make me sad. Two people who (seem to) want to be together, but are not allowed to be because of social conventions. :(.

For all the worrying about the girl, it seems to me that the teacher must be in far worse a state to do something like this - he loses pretty much everything and will have known this, but went ahead anyway - to me, this means he can hardly be construed as 'taking advantage' when he will end up with a net loss by most people's measure.
 
GreatAuk said:
Things like this just make me sad. Two people who (seem to) want to be together, but are not allowed to be because of social conventions. :(.
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I bet the SWAT teams say that with hostages and Stockholm syndrome:

"ready for entry"
"nar look they want to be together they are so happy!"

Flippant - yes. But in both cases there is a known psychological response towards someone with power which is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. If it is normal then you would be saying you'd be happy to do the same or happy for a 14-15 year old daughter of yours to be running off with a teacher.

GreatAuk said:
For all the worrying about the girl, it seems to me that the teacher must be in far worse a state to do something like this - he loses pretty much everything and will have known this, but went ahead anyway - to me, this means he can hardly be construed as 'taking advantage' when he will end up with a net loss by most people's measure.
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By that token should all rich married people be forgiven of any crime? :confused:
 
This thread reads like we have a bunch of closet paedophiles on here.

There's no justification for it!

It's not about morals or anything like that, it's just simply, wrong, if you can't see that, there's something wrong with you.
 
Xordium said:
I bet the SWAT teams say that with hostages and Stockholm syndrome:

"ready for entry"
"nar look they want to be together they are so happy!"

Flippant - yes. But in both cases there is a known psychological response towards someone with power which is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. If it is normal then you would be saying you'd be happy to do the same or happy for a 14-15 year old daughter of yours to be running off with a teacher.



By that token should all rich married people be forgiven of any crime? :confused:
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Lol hang on a minute, Stockholm syndrome? This isn't Josef Fritzl you know... :p
 
carlazai said:
I never knew there was such a distinction!!!
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There is, and the over mis-use of words like 'paedophile' don't help us as a society actually look at these issues rationally.

A paedophile is someone who is specifically aroused by pre-pubescent children, a real 'paedo' would be turned off by a 15 year old girl as they would be far too 'developed'.

Psychologically speaking it's a whole different ball game to a Ephebophile who is someone that is turned on by young, but developed, teenage girls.

Then we have hebephiles who are inbetween the two and get aroused by developing teens (11-14).

The problem with labelling anyone who has sex with someone under 16 as a paedophile is it ignores the very different mindsets of the offender and as such offers to answers to a workable solution. For example, I'm pretty sure that if we didn't have this tendancy to rush out the P word this couple may not have fled with as much haste as he did.
 
Xordium said:
I bet the SWAT teams say that with hostages and Stockholm syndrome:

"ready for entry"
"nar look they want to be together they are so happy!"

Flippant - yes. But in both cases there is a known psychological response towards someone with power which is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. If it is normal then you would be saying you'd be happy to do the same or happy for a 14-15 year old daughter of yours to be running off with a teacher.
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Well, as for psychological responses to people in positions of power, I think they are entirely normal. Just because the responses to positions of power such as kidnappers aren't normal doesn't mean that people don't respond to power in other settings - why else would being an 'alpha male' be an advisable strategy for picking up women?

I cant say I would be thrilled at the prospect of my (imaginary) teenage daughter running off with a teacher, but that would be more due to missing her and being nervous over the personality of a man who I didn't know, and who I had no assurance felt about her the same way she felt about him, rather than concerned that the attraction on her part was somehow false or unnatural. I imagine most parents would feel those things with any boyfriend that their teenage daughter acquired though, be it teacher or classmate.

[edit: - so more to do with the running off than with the relationship itself. A teacher probably would worry me more than a classmate I have to admit, but that would be because I would have more reason to believe he was in it just to 'take advantage', but here in this case I don't think he can be accused of that.]

Xordium said:
By that token should all rich married people be forgiven of any crime? :confused:
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No, but then for some crimes there is a chance that you won't be found out so the perpetrator could tell themselves that they can have their cake an eat it, but in this case any vaguely aware person would know that they would be found out (and if he thought he wouldn't be then that would be naivety indicating grounds for diminishing responsibility to me!). But I suppose all I'm really trying to say here is that this isn't a classic sort of 'older person takes advantage of young person who doesn't know what they're doing, what a horrible person' sort of case - personally I don't feel any moral or ethical revulsion towards the man, maybe because the circumstances of the case indicate that he wasn't just there for quick sex (assuming that's actually what went on, when it might not have done, who knows) followed by leaving a distressed teenager to deal with any consequences - he must have had emotional ties as well as her.

I can see the arguments for having the law set in stone and the need to prosecute all those who break the law, and I do agree. However, that does not mean that I agree entirely with the law, it's definitions, and it's ethical suppositions.

So I can see why breaking the law must be discouraged, but I can't personally see any reasons in this case for disliking the man himself, or thinking that he has done anything wrong. I just feel sorry for him that he was in a place where this seemed like a good idea, and that it almost certainly won't work out well for him.
 
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