Missing girl 15, runs off with Maths teacher.

edscdk said:
Holy crap, I just realised my other half is abusing me! She is 15 years older than me can I have her arrested? I am abused, help me.... I never knew until now...?!
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Your 15? Then yes.

It is not justthe age difference. Most 15 year-olds are gullible and easy to manipulate, especially for an adult, more so for someone in a position of trust.

This is why we have an age of consent, and why teachers etc can't get it on with those in their care.
 
Woden said:
Your 15? Then yes.

It is not justthe age difference. Most 15 year-olds are gullible and easy to manipulate, especially for an adult, more so for someone in a position of trust.

This is why we have an age of consent, and why teachers etc can't get it on with those in their care.
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Really? I know plenty of 15 year old who are headstrong and stubborn, I would't say any of them were easy to manipulate.

At age 10, sure. But they grow up rapidly not long after, to the point where some of the kids I knew at 14 were smarter than me at 28 ;)
 
Is she 15 & 2 months old or 15 & 11 months old? Sure he broke his position of trust and its wrong so should be punished.

As for arbitrary ages (which vary country to country) for legal sex, it's a tricky discussion.

I guess it's really down to when that individual feels ready.
 
grimm said:
I'm guessing most of the people who want him locked up have daughters and are in "defensive dad" mode.
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Not me. Although I'm not sure that locking him up is the best course of action. I'm not sure what would be. I agree with the age of consent as it is, but I'm not seeing who benefits from locking him up. It's certainly not him and it's certainly not her, so who benefits? Both the people involved are harmed by locking him up...but there are good reasons for the law and it needs to be upheld in some way. So what should be done? I don't know.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Is she 15 & 2 months old or 15 & 11 months old? Sure he broke his position of trust and its wrong so should be punished.

As for arbitrary ages (which vary country to country) for legal sex, it's a tricky discussion.

I guess it's really down to when that individual feels ready.
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But how would you make law on that basis? You have to have clearly defined laws or else they will be abused.

I felt ready to race cars when I was about 10. I wanted to race cars and I thought I'd be good at it. Preferably a Jaguar E-type in British Racing Green. In retrospect, I'm pretty sure I wasn't competent to do so.
 
Angilion said:
Not me. Although I'm not sure that locking him up is the best course of action. I'm not sure what would be. I agree with the age of consent as it is, but I'm not seeing who benefits from locking him up. It's certainly not him and it's certainly not her, so who benefits? Both the people involved are harmed by locking him up...but there are good reasons for the law and it needs to be upheld in some way. So what should be done? I don't know.
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This is pretty much my stance as well. I don't really see the point of a punishment if she went with him of her own free will. There are far more people out there who commit sexual assault and are violent in many ways who don't get anywhere near the amount of police attention that this guy has.
 
Angilion said:
But how would you make law on that basis? You have to have clearly defined laws or else they will be abused.

I felt ready to race cars when I was about 10. I wanted to race cars and I thought I'd be good at it. Preferably a Jaguar E-type in British Racing Green. In retrospect, I'm pretty sure I wasn't competent to do so.
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That's a bit of a straw man argument there. You don't have to pass a driving test or get insurance before having a relationship with someone like you do when driving a car. You also can't cause thousands of pounds worth of damage and kill/maim innocent bystanders (unless you're into something really deviant I suppose).
 
SB118 said:
I'm a "defensive dad" and I'd rather knock the guy on his ass than lock him up.
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Same here mainly because my girls at 15 were very street savvy and they would have had 100% input into the choice.
If however it was proved beyond doubt he groomed them then locking him upo would be correct.
 
edscdk said:
Holy crap, I just realised my other half is abusing me! She is 15 years older than me can I have her arrested? I am abused, help me.... I never knew until now...?!
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So you're 15 and legally underage? If not, then please stop making such silly comparison posts. :p
 
This really is getting side-tracked,

The problem is an adult in a position of care was involved in a relationship with a minor & took her to another country without the consent of her parents.

It doesn't matter who started the relationship, if he was unable to resist the advances of a child then perhaps he picked the wrong profession.

As an adult in a position of authority & care for children he has the potential to abuse that power to manipulate & coerce her - judging by the fact she ran off with a teacher at the age of 15 with no way of sustaining herself indicates she wasn't exactly the most mature or sharpest tool in the box.
 
In the Mail today it said she was only 15 in June. The school were only 'aware' about the pair for 7 months, unless they became 'aware' the moment it started we can assume he started the grooming process when she was 14 and maybe even closer to 13 than 15.
 
elmarko1234 said:
This really is getting side-tracked,

The problem is an adult in a position of care was involved in a relationship with a minor & took her to another country without the consent of her parents.

It doesn't matter who started the relationship, if he was unable to resist the advances of a child then perhaps he picked the wrong profession.

As an adult in a position of authority & care for children he has the potential to abuse that power to manipulate & coerce her - judging by the fact she ran off with a teacher at the age of 15 with no way of sustaining herself indicates she wasn't exactly the most mature or sharpest tool in the box.
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It's not about how bright she is, its that children her age have not yet developed their brains physically or mentally to fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. It's why we do such stupid things when we are young, and why we have the age of consent laws that we do.
 
hurfdurf said:
It's not about how bright she is, its that children her age have not yet developed their brains physically or mentally to fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. It's why we do such stupid things when we are young, and why we have the age of consent laws that we do.
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Oh I agree, it's not as much that she's stupid for a child - just that children are generally immature & stupid.

A 30 year old adult on the other hand should have known better.
 
elmarko1234 said:
This really is getting side-tracked,

The problem is an adult in a position of care was involved in a relationship with a minor & took her to another country without the consent of her parents.

It doesn't matter who started the relationship, if he was unable to resist the advances of a child then perhaps he picked the wrong profession.

As an adult in a position of authority & care for children he has the potential to abuse that power to manipulate & coerce her - judging by the fact she ran off with a teacher at the age of 15 with no way of sustaining herself indicates she wasn't exactly the most mature or sharpest tool in the box.
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Exactly, the law is there to blanket protect minors from the advances and predations of adults. It is irrelevant to say: "Oh well, my daughter is/was savvy and streetwise so they would know better or make their own choices.", because the fact is not all 15-year olds are savvy, they are still children in development and are impressionable, hormonal, and do not think with clarity in these situations when they believe they are in "love". They don't behave rationally.

There is no excuse for the teacher, whatsoever, to have eloped with this girl and caused all of this insane stress to all of their family members. It is grossly unprofesisonal, grossly inconsiderate, and just grossly stupid. If he really loved her THAT much he would have waited until she was of legal age and then sought employment in another school before pursuing a relationship with her. However, clearly the guy has a screw loose and is also not rational.

There really is no arguing against that in any way, shape or form. The laws are clear and there for a reason, and he deserves to go to prison for that, even if only for a year.
 
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