Punishment for cyclists?

Energize said:
Insurance is required for car drivers because they can cause millions worth of damage they would never be able to pay off. If you require insurance for cyclists because they may cause a car to swerve then pedestrians would need insurance as well because they are entitled to use the road.
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By that logic Alan Sugar shouldn't be required to have insurance to drive a car as he could afford to pay "millions".

P.S. I'd love to know how a driver can cause 'millions' of pounds worth of damage in once incident.
 
chipachap said:
There's been a few times where I've nearly hit cyclists cycling at dusk without any lights or reflective clothing. Of course with us being the motorist it's obviously our fault if we hit them even if their not visible :rolleyes:
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Not really...it depends on the circumstances but they're not really helping themselves are they and that would be taken into consideration by whoever investigates it.
 
VeNT said:
The number of times it would be necessary for cyclists to provide ID are so few and far between it's a none issue.
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Just because damage has been caused in other ways doesn't negate the fact that cycles can and do cause damage. It's clearly not a "non issue" as demonstrated by the asshat cyclist video of being extremely irratating to the police officer above.
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
Just because damage has been caused in other ways doesn't negate the fact that cycles can and do cause damage. It's clearly not a "non issue" as demonstrated by the asshat cyclist video of being extremely irratating to the police officer above.
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watch any cop show on tv, there are far more non cyclists acting like asshats.
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
ID/Registration plates, if caught/seen/recorded causing damage and cycling off then treat as if it was done in/with a car.

Whats the deal with providing docs/ID if requested when driving a car/van? Same should be applied to cyclists maybe then we wouldn't have issues such as the video above. Contact details were a reasonable request when the cyclist ran a red light, the cyclist was just being an antagonizing ****. Again this would be resolved with reg/ID plates.

Both that and a certain level of basic insurance should be mandatory, I know some cyclists with expensive egar will of course have insurance anyway. You also have the arguments that "is not aware of x amount of cycle accidents/instances" .. so?

I'm sure there are people that have 10+ years NCB, they're still forced to have insurance.
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In a car you don't need to carry registration/insurance/licence details on you in the UK. You need to be able to present them within 7 days at your local station IIRC. So actually very similar no matter what you use to get around on.
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
Car or cycle? And why do some people think the difference matters?
Caught on camera doing it in a car, automated ticket to your registered address.
Caught on camera doing it on a bike... nothing?

I fail to see how people can't understand how this seems a little biased?
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The problem is do you expect a bicycle to have a registration plate on the front of it big enough to be seen by a speed camera?! Even motorcycles don't have them on the front for safety reasons...


Balddog said:
Ah so its only deaths that matter is it? I see.. As with the previous poster, I've never been hit by a car but a few times by bikes. Luckily nothing worse than some bruises and cuts. but as it was a cyclist, theres zero comeback, zero identification and zero consequences. He just mutters sorry and then gets back on his bike and goes on his merry way.

You can't use such statistics in this argument because the entire point is that cyclists don't get identified or punished and therefore their incidents are not recorded. ...Unless of course you ignore everything short of deaths.

How many incidents were there in 2011 of cyclists running into pedestrians? You can't possibly know, of course...because the vast majority are not recorded.

That doesn't mean its ok.
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How many people are injured by other pedestrians each year? I'd hazard a guess that more people are injured by people barging/running into/pushing other people than injuries to pedestrians caused by cyclists. Should every pedestrian have a licence/ID visible on their person as well?

In fact if we're going there I am massively for licences for umbrellas, they are ****** dangerous. Too many stupid people that take over the whole path with one umbrella and don't move out the way, more importantly too many people that think it's a good idea to put them up (without looking around them) as they are leaving a buildings, especially when leaving busy places like trains stations. I've almost been blinded several times by the spikes at the edges of umbrellas this year due to people not looking before just whoomping them up in a crowded/confined space.
 
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Amp34 said:
In a car you don't need to carry registration/insurance/licence details on you in the UK. You need to be able to present them within 7 days at your local station IIRC. So actually very similar no matter what you use to get around on.
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And if I declined to provide my details to a police officer in order so they could give me paperwork for this?
 
lol.. does this ever end? :D there's always a stupid person behind everything be it a bicycle or a car or a truck or a pair of trainers! the amount of pedestrians that jump in from of me while cycling is disturbing :) i actually respect my life and i do move if i see an idiot behind a wheel - which is quite often for some reason :)

there's a lot of hate going towards the cyclist but for some reason drivers don't take into account one thing - you get pedestrians jumping in front of the car, you get drivers cutting you off, you get motorcyclist speeding/cutting off etc and you get cyclists doing the same thing :)

one thing to note tho - cyclists/pedestrians/motocyclists if they get hit by a car they will be injured no matter how hard you hit them. So really is it worth raging every day? just wait a damn second for a road to open up and pass the cyclist!

its not going to stop if you put license plates on bikes or insurance or anything else :) cars have insurance and drivers still do stupid things on the road.

i cycle and i do run redlights when its totally safe - imagine an empty crossing? what is the point to stop? junctions on the other hand is a place i always stop and wait, no way am i risking my life over a 30s wait.. :)

again i do sometimes cycle on the pavement, there's a part of the road where you got 2 pictures already hanging of cyclists killed and tbh i prefer to take a slower but safer route on the pavement :) even though i am risking a penalty - my mate for e.g. got 30quid and i got a warning.

end of the day, i do respect drivers/pedestrians and cyclists - we all want to get somewhere and we all are allowed to share the road so the more respect there is the better! and ignoring an idiot or two on your way to work/college etc is not that hard in my eyes.
 
Amp34 said:
The problem is do you expect a bicycle to have a registration plate on the front of it big enough to be seen by a speed camera?! Even motorcycles don't have them on the front for safety reasons...
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At which point did I say they should have massive full size plates on the front?
 
VeNT said:
tbh we've all similar stories
I had a woman in a merc a few weeks back, over took me then realized there was standing traffic ahead as well as oncoming traffic heading her way so pulls in front then stops dead, cue me hitting the side of her car, she then wants to claim off ME for the scratch on the side, never mind that I'm laying there bleeding!
luckily there where witnesses who saw what she had done and nothing came of it.
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Similarish story from a few years ago...

Sister and I cycling to the exit of a car park about a foot from the pavement (on the road), queue woman in a car pulling out from the side road onto the "main" road we were on, bashing the side of the car into my sister, her falling off and the woman carrying on like nothing had happened...* Luckily my sister had a metal pedal so it protected her ankle, she only had some bruising, the pedal had a nice bit of red paint on it though so I'm guessing the woman was fuming when she got back home, wondering how she had a scratch on her car...

That incident is one of the reasons I cycle defensively in the centre of my lane now, I'll move over when I want to thank you, especially if the car that is trying to overtake would be breaking the speed limit to do so...

*Well she must have the observance of a shrew... can't see two cyclists on a 5mph stretch of road on a sunny day...
 
Amp34 said:
The problem is do you expect a bicycle to have a registration plate on the front of it big enough to be seen by a speed camera?! Even motorcycles don't have them on the front for safety reasons...
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that's why most work facing the rear too, especialy at l;ights.
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
At which point did I say they should have massive full size plates on the front?
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Well how else is someone going to identify you if you just ride away? A little tag on the frame? My bike actually has identification, including a couple of chips with my details in case it gets stolen anyway.


Tefal said:
that's why most work facing the rear too, especialy at l;ights.
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Something feasible enough to fit on the back would probably have to be smaller than 3x3" and highly flexible so it didn't just break the first time a bike was put down slightly heavily.. That's not going to be seen by any speed camera.
 
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Just got back from a quick 25km bike ride.

On the ride I saw few cars, since i was out in the country on B roads, but I did witness:
1) Somebody coming around a tight corner with their phone between their hands, who looked like they were texting whilst driving
2) Somebody ignoring the red light at some temporary roadworks which filtered traffic into one lane, driving straight past me and the light. You couldn't see the other end of the road works either.

But funnily enough I don't come away wanting to bulldoze ordinary drivers off the road in retaliation
 
If it is not Muslims its bicyclists, what is it with OCUK and blind hatred of others?

Bicyclists have as much right as anyone to be on the road, if anything more right because they reduce traffic, have zero emissions and improve health. People who commute by car twice a day to work are the ones that really need to be thankful that they are allowed to do that.

The bottom line is People on bikes are hard to see and are very vulnerable so extra care and attention is needed. While going through red lights is wrong, how many fatal RTa have existed due to a cyclist running someone over or hitting another car, viruses how,any drivers have cost the lives of a bother human by dangerous driving? Bikes are pretty damn harmless considering.

I forget the legal standing inthe Uk, but in most of the world the rules of the road ply equally to all road users including cyclists. The penality for speeding or running a red lit on a bike is the same as in a car.
 
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