Punishment for cyclists?

Dis86 said:
It's not undertaking if you're on a bike...

Suggest you go and read your highway code.

Specifically rule 182 'Do Not Cut In On Cyclists'
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It is undertaking. You are just permitted to do it.

Like I said in my post, it is a bizarre thing to do at junctions given lack of signalling by people and poor visibility in the offside mirror.
 
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muon said:
It is undertaking. You are just permitted to do it.

Like I said in my post, it is a bizarre thing to do at junctions given lack of signalling by people and poor visibility in the offside mirror.
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Continuing on the line you're travelling in isn't undertaking. And what else do you expect the cyclist to do?! Know that someone is going to cut across their route? Travel bang in the middle of the road? That'll go down well!

Maybe stop at every junction even though they have right of way?

Continuing in a straight line is a perfectly normal thing to do and the correct thing to do
 
Dis86 said:
Continuing on the line you're travelling in isn't undertaking. And what else do you expect the cyclist to do?! Know that someone is going to cut across their route? Travel bang in the middle of the road? That'll go down well!

Maybe stop at every junction even though they have right of way?

Continuing in a straight line is a perfectly normal thing to do and the correct thing to do
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Well it depends on the scenario, but what I am picturing is where you have a car in front of you slowing down and turning left across the cycle lane. I'd slow down with the car, not carry on at speed past it.
 
muon said:
Well it depends on the scenario, but what I am picturing is where you have a car in front of you slowing down and turning left across the cycle lane. I'd slow down with the car, not carry on at speed past it.
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So when you're driving along a dual carriageway and you're on the outside lane do you slam your brakes on incase someone in the fast lane decides they want to be off at that sliproad you're coming up to?

Or do you, like pretty much everyone on the roads expect them to merge behind you and not ram you out the way or turn across the front of you?

In your scenario that driver will have just overtaken that cyclist and know they are there. There's no excuse for them not to having just passed them.
 
Dis86 said:
So when you're driving along a dual carriageway and you're on the outside lane do you slam your brakes on incase someone in the fast lane decides they want to be off at that sliproad you're coming up to?

Or do you, like pretty much everyone on the roads expect them to merge behind you and not ram you out the way or turn across the front of you?

In your scenario that driver will have just overtaken that cyclist and know they are there. There's no excuse for them not to having just passed them.
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Up to you. Stick to your principles if you want, but I drive knowing that a lot of people don't signal. I don't assume anything, especially if people do things out of the ordinary. I do get cut across by drivers with no signals, so not sure what your point is.

I have no doubt a cyclist (who cycles for a couple of hours a day) going through junctions not being aware of suspicous behaviour will be caught off guard multiple times a week.
 
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Amp34 said:
In a car you don't need to carry registration/insurance/licence details on you in the UK. You need to be able to present them within 7 days at your local station IIRC. So actually very similar no matter what you use to get around on.
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It is an absolute not to be able to provide these documents when requested by a constable. The 7 days is just a common sense way of dealing with the offence, but technically you are breaking the law though.
 
D.P. said:
If it is not Muslims its bicyclists, what is it with OCUK and blind hatred of others?
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there is nothing that gets my back up more, than a muslim bird in a Haj-ib, riding a cycle and not observing right of way.

damn themn, damn them all to hell




;)
 
~Divine~Wind~ said:
Car or cycle? And why do some people think the difference matters?
Caught on camera doing it in a car, automated ticket to your registered address.
Caught on camera doing it on a bike... nothing?

I fail to see how people can't understand how this seems a little biased?
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It's not, as the speed limit does not apply to bikes unless a specific by-law is in place.
 
muon said:
Up to you. Stick to your principles if you want, but I drive knowing that a lot of people don't signal. I don't assume anything, especially if people do things out of the ordinary. I do get cut across by drivers with no signals, so not sure what your point is.

I have no doubt a cyclist (who cycles for a couple of hours a day) going through junctions not being aware of suspicous behaviour will be caught off guard multiple times a week.
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My point is that from your logic cyclists should stop at every junction to make sure no cars are going to turn in without indicating. If they did that they'd never get anywhere! And what exactly counts as suspicious behaviour? Someone suddenly veering across the front of you without indicating tends not to provide any prior suspicions!

To go back to my original point in counter to yours the cyclist is not undertaking.
They are not in the wrong.
The car driver is in the wrong.
The highway code is in support of the cyclist. It even gives specific instructions that when drivers are performing a maneuver such as that to pay extra attention for cyclists and pedestrians passing on the inside as it is their right of way.

Or is the highway code wrong?
 
Anyone wearing spandex, riding a bike in heavy London traffic, thinking they are in the Tour de France and blatantly breaking every Highway Code in their endless pursuit to get to the front of a traffic queue should, in my opinion, bugger off to the countryside where it's perhaps safer and there are less people around who have to see how utterly ridiculous you look.
 
Dis86 said:
My point is that from your logic cyclists should stop at every junction to make sure no cars are going to turn in without indicating.
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Even in my 3 months of cycling I have learned to sit behind the front car if it hasn't got the indicators on just in case it does this and I haven't had a bad experience either (common sense).
If it has got its right indicator on I will ride up to the front.
 
Dimple said:
Even in my 3 months of cycling I have learned to sit behind the front car if it hasn't got the indicators on just in case it does this and I haven't had a bad experience either (common sense).
If it has got its right indicator on I will ride up to the front.
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We've been talking about cycling along a road at a constant speed where there's a left hand turn (obv with you keeping to the left).
 
Dis86 said:
We've been talking about cycling along a road at a constant speed where there's a left hand turn (obv with you keeping to the left).
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I put this in the other thread the other day where somebody 'left hooked' me.
However my post still stands that even at a junction a cyclist stands the chance of being knocked off by not watching where the car is or is not indicating.
 
Gammawolf said:
What punishments are available to be applied to cyclists that break the law? Just asking as today on a relatively short run to the shops I saw 2 cyclists run red lights on junctions that aren't what I'd call low risk by a long shot. Can you get banned from road cycling, fines?
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You can get a FPN of £30 for running a red light.

Seriously I look at them and wonder if they're brain dead..
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I'm sure the feeling is mutual :p
 
fastwunz said:
Anyone wearing spandex, riding a bike in heavy London traffic, thinking they are in the Tour de France and blatantly breaking every Highway Code in their endless pursuit to get to the front of a traffic queue should, in my opinion, bugger off to the countryside where it's perhaps safer and there are less people around who have to see how utterly ridiculous you look.
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What if they're on the way back from cycling in the countryside?

Anyone calling people "ridiculous" looks utterly ridiculous. :D
 
I'm a cyclist and i consider myself to be pretty safe out there. I never run red lights, never overtake and always check behind me before i pull out.

I'll fully admit that there are some right idiots out there though, i frankly hate cyclists even though I'm one of them.
 
Seriously I look at them and wonder if they're brain dead..

Put it in motors and let them scrap over it.

Nuke Them From Orbit....alternatively you could Kill Them With Fire.....

I don't understand the hate for cyclists just buy an old car & put up with a dent or two.

Cyclists are generally ******

Get a car peasant.

Cyclists don't bother me at all on the road no matter what they do but riding on the path boils my ****.
My Frank staffy dog goes into attack mode & I'm the one trying to keep hold of him.

It’s not the actual cyclists that bother me; it’s the mess they make of the front of my car that winds me up.

an't stand the majority of cyclists. Ride like idiots and just cry all day about how mean car drivers are to them.

You'd get kicked off if you tried that around here.

Sand in their cycling shorts should be a fitting punishment.

I think it's about time cyclists were forced to acknowledge that the roads are for cars. They can ride on the roads, but they have to promise to stick to the gutter and stay the hell out of the way. They also have to agree to have a bomb implanted into the base of their skull, attached to a GPS receiver - when the GPS receiver detects a speed of over 15mph, the bomb is armed. If the cyclist drops below 15mph, the bomb explodes, à la Speed. If they don't like it, they should get a car and sit in it like every normal human being does.

What route do you cycle? The front of my sprinter would love to meet you!

he "punishment" for cyclists should be to cut their saddle off the post with an angle grinder.....

....And weld a 12" stainless steel ruler into it's place, mounted on edge.

nah moral of the story is carry a machete.

However the attitude of some in this thread terrifies me. Yes, a lot of drivers have a poor attitude too but two wrongs do not make a right, and this kind of problem between the two parties will only stop when everyone agrees on the correct way to behave on the road.

just drive as fast as you can as close to the ******* on the bike s possible and hope the back draft pulls him off his bike. They would be cycling on grass if we didnt pay road tax so **** em

Just get an iPhone 5 and use iOS6 maps

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To all the cyclists moaning about being injured by cars I have one thing to say. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Hung drawn and quatered, would be appropriate punishment for cyclists or even a savage medieval whipping followed by drowning?

have you met the British police? Cyclists are far easier to shoot.

Anyone wearing spandex, riding a bike in heavy London traffic, thinking they are in the Tour de France and blatantly breaking every Highway Code in their endless pursuit to get to the front of a traffic queue should, in my opinion, bugger off to the countryside where it's perhaps safer and there are less people around who have to see how utterly ridiculous you look.
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Nice one. Thank you all for your considerate, grown up attitude. What is this?... And you lot have car licenses?

And yes, I've been through 8 pages, because it's really worth pointing out.
 
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