Korean Grand Prix 2012, Yeongam - Race 16/20

I think your right, but its still no excuse for Grosjean just plowing into him. Even with Mark not going through there at top speed there was still plenty of time for Grosjean to slow up and avoid hitting him.

In all honestly I think he was watching the Sauber and just didn't spot Mark until it was too late, but thats not really and excuse, he should still be vigilant of whats going on around him at the start.
 
Brilliant, but what email links?

Just realized what time it's on :(, I'm off this week and its at bloody night and at silly times, that'll be impossible to watch both fp live.
 
smr said:
Yep, imagine if Kimi won the title and they've made a beast of a car now:

"The upgrades for Korea are a big step; it is the opening of a new era for us." Team boss Eric Boullier
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Blimey. That quote makes it sound as if they have created something so radically advanced that no car for years will be able to come close to it.

Personally, I don't think that the Lotus car will be able to compete against the McLaren or RBR.

Kimi is doing a great job though.
 
Mr Men said:
I doubt Ferrari has any answer to Red Bull, so Seb should take the title which he won't really deserve but oh well such is F1 :)

Alonso and Lewis will still have been the better drivers this year than Vettel.
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I'm not sure how you can say that Hamilton has been a better driver than Vettel.

Hamilton has had the best car of the year (averaged across the year) and Vettel has out scored him. Had Vettel been in a McLaren, he'd be leading the title by a big margin. Only Alonso is capable of stopping Vettel, these days and I'm not quite sure how long this can last.

Even with a better car Hamilton is unable to handle Alonso or Vettel. For him to beat those 2 drivers, he needs a car which is considerably faster.

Some people need to accept facts - if Vettel wins a 3rd title, he will move into the "All Time Greats" level, something which Hamilton isn't even close to achieving right now.

Vettel and Alonso have proved year on year, that they are the best at creating big points totals. Hamilton is within touching distance of those 2 drivers...but he doesn't seem to have the mental focus which Vettel or Alonso seem to possess.
 
sunama said:
I'm not sure how you can say that Hamilton has been a better driver than Vettel.

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Well I was not sure how you could say Nico has out raced MS for 3 seasons, but you just kept on repeating it anyway without accepting facts :) Its funny you also ignore all the problems Lewis has had, or he would most likely be ahead of Vettel. But you tend just to look at the points and decide who is great :)
 
ng93 said:
Underneath the white facebook bar thing "You can ask but we don't tell. Order a reminder here.".
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Also when you apply for an email reminder;

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sunama said:
Hamilton has had the best car of the year (averaged across the year) and Vettel has out scored him. Had Vettel been in a McLaren, he'd be leading the title by a big margin. Only Alonso is capable of stopping Vettel, these days and I'm not quite sure how long this can last.
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Not sure if srs

Have you forgotten the multitude of 10 second pit stops which ruined several of Hamilton's races?

The 23 place grid drop in Spain?
Retiring from a gearbox failure while in the lead at Singapore?

I'm not a Lewis fan but to say Vettel has been outperforming him is laughable.
 
tummelv said:
Not sure if srs

Have you forgotten the multitude of 10 second pit stops which ruined several of Hamilton's races?

The 23 place grid drop in Spain?
Retiring from a gearbox failure while in the lead at Singapore?

I'm not a Lewis fan but to say Vettel has been outperforming him is laughable.
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Exactly.

Vettel has had two retirements this season (Valencia and Italy), Hamilton has had four (Valencia, Germany, Spa and Singapore) That's not including his grid drop at the Spanish Grand Prix and all of the pit-stop screw ups.

The fact that Lewis is still in the title hunt (however loosely) is impressive in itself considering the above.
 
JeditOjanen said:
As to why Vettel does not deserve to win the title: because he's a childish, finger-waggling jerk with a vastly overinflated sense of his own worth who in any impartial assessment would struggle to be considered one of the five best drivers on the grid.
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So he doesn't deserve a third title because you don't like him? :confused:

Jesus, the football mentality to being a motorsport fan is getting worse around here.

"He's teh carp driver cause he's not my fav init"
 
tummelv said:
Also when you apply for an email reminder;

<[email protected]>;
Subject: REMIND ME WHEN YOU FIRE ROMAIN

:D



Not sure if srs

Have you forgotten the multitude of 10 second pit stops which ruined several of Hamilton's races?

The 23 place grid drop in Spain?
Retiring from a gearbox failure while in the lead at Singapore?

I'm not a Lewis fan but to say Vettel has been outperforming him is laughable.
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vettels had no dnfs?
 
Oh dear. Another quality pre-race item this weekend from Sky. Good job it's on at 4am so I can fast forward through that bit when I watch it when I get up.

Please give us something interesting!!!! Not Bruno Senna doing the embarrassing Gangnam dance thing!!!

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sunama said:
I'm not sure how you can say that Hamilton has been a better driver than Vettel.

Hamilton has had the best car of the year (averaged across the year) and Vettel has out scored him. Had Vettel been in a McLaren, he'd be leading the title by a big margin. Only Alonso is capable of stopping Vettel, these days and I'm not quite sure how long this can last.

Even with a better car Hamilton is unable to handle Alonso or Vettel. For him to beat those 2 drivers, he needs a car which is considerably faster.

Some people need to accept facts - if Vettel wins a 3rd title, he will move into the "All Time Greats" level, something which Hamilton isn't even close to achieving right now.

Vettel and Alonso have proved year on year, that they are the best at creating big points totals. Hamilton is within touching distance of those 2 drivers...but he doesn't seem to have the mental focus which Vettel or Alonso seem to possess.
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It seems odd to me that you can factor in car speed when discussing who has been the best driver of the season, but don't factor in team strategy, team mistakes, and DNFs that were not the driver's fault. Surely if this is the case then you don't rate Vettel's first WDC at all, since he had as dominant a car as we've seen in the modern era but only just scraped the WDC at the end.

Personally I find it much more useful to compare drivers to what their team mates have managed. Now Vettel really struggled to beat Webber in both qualifying and the race in the first half of the season when the RBR wasn't the best car.

For me, this has been Vettels worst season to date as a result. His first WDC was better, as although he did struggle against Webber at times, this was mostly due to having a lot of car problems. His second WDC was the most impressive since he completely dominated Webber who had no answer to Vettel's pace.
 
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