Child forced to drink own urine

I'll chip in here and say there is actual research into the effects of smacking. They have only ever done one proper trial because they actually struggled to find a control group large enough of parents who did not smack their children at all. The results based on achievement in later life showed smacking after the age of six was very harmful and gave the worse outcomes, then no smacking, and the best outcomes infrequent smacking that had stopped by the age of six. They offered the conclusions that parents who may get exasperated enough to smack would most likely be using it as a last resort and would be creating boundaries etc.

So people who say smacking traumatises kids are sensationalising it. There is no evidence to say that. There is evidence to say that excessive, frequent and strong smacking ie illegal (leaving a mark) violence traumatises kids. Hardly shocking that.

As for the OP what you have is a clear case of emotional and physical abuses joined in with apparent neglect. Now that does not mean though that the child will necessarily be taken away from that relationship. I have worked with kids who have been kept in far worse circumstances than that. What you will get is involvement and case conferences etc do not expect things to go the way you want them to necessarily - that is not usually how it goes. Just so you go in eyes open.
 
Sounds plausible that they did just pass off orange juice as urine, ask your son what it tasted like, if he says a bit like orange juice then solved.

I doubt anyone would rinse out a bed sheet full of urine and force a child to drink it.
 
"andy" said:
OP see the school (who will have a social services contact) they can probably back your thoughts of abuse up too for example theyve noticed a change in your kids behaviour
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This.

Forget the police. Get in touch with the School, they have dedicated child welfare officers (my mother is one) and direct liaison with child social services who will sit down with your child in a comfortable and familiar environment for the child (as opposed to a ****ing cold interview room at the police station) they can ascertain from the child's body language in the school whether he is lying or not. If they interview him in a police station his body language will be utterly useless and pointless.

Again, don't call the police ffs, they know nothing about how to deal with children, yet the school knows EVERYTHING about how to deal with children. Trust me child abuse happens a lot and schools DO have the proper and best procedures and officers to deal with it properly while not damaging the child further.
 
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steve-h said:
Show them some car-crash gore pictures. Or not let the child play near a road without some form of obstruction to stop them from running into it.
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So in other words don't walk them anywhere there are roads, once again anyone who has children will know that one second your are holding there hand, the next they have pulled there hand out of yours and running off, all with the blink of an eye, you can harness them and I know because I did, but when do you not harness them, what if you forget your harness, imagine having to watch a child that can literally do anything all day everyday, you imagine they will never slip away even for a split second?

Oh and showing a young child car crash gore pictures will not help their development at all, keep there innocence for as long as you can.

Also how many roads do you know with obstructions to stop people crossing them?
 
Get some of his from drainage, stick an apple juice label over it and say you want to make up and give him a Christmas hamper.


But this is outrageous! Really some people make me sick.
 
I am sure others have already said it, but I just cannot believe what goes through some people's minds... from said uncle to the OP, who is wondering what to do other than call the police.

It boggles my mind people can be that oblivious to the world.
 
If you report it to the police, they are legally required to investigate it. You can also request that a check be made on someone you don't trust who is in regular contact with your children.
 
asim18 said:
This.

Forget the police. Get in touch with the School, they have dedicated child welfare officers (my mother is one) and direct liaison with child social services who will sit down with your child in a comfortable and familiar environment for the child (as opposed to a ****ing cold interview room at the police station) they can ascertain from the child's body language in the school whether he is lying or not. If they interview him in a police station his body language will be utterly useless and pointless.

Again, don't call the police ffs, they know nothing about how to deal with children, yet the school knows EVERYTHING about how to deal with children. Trust me child abuse happens a lot and schools DO have the proper and best procedures and officers to deal with it properly while not damaging the child further.
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*Contact school who might contact another resource
*Contact police who will contact social services, oddly the hospitals and police still use fax for notifications that the clerk receives in my wife's office
*Contact social services directly

Which of the above 3 is quickest and easiest?

Your hatred for the police does not mean they are as useless as you seem to want them to be.
For a start they won't drag him into a police station and interview the kid lol
 
Morba said:
*Contact school who might contact another resource
*Contact police who will contact social services, oddly the hospitals and police still use fax for notifications that the clerk receives in my wife's office
*Contact social services directly

Which of the above 3 is quickest and easiest?

Your hatred for the police does not mean they are as useless as you seem to want them to be.
For a start they won't drag him into a police station and interview the kid lol
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Great, pull out three completely pointless points. It's not about "quickest" and "easiest", this is an extremely delicate matter which needs to be planned.

The school is simply a better place to investigate because:

A: As I said they have child welfare officer (or a senior teacher who is given this role) who deal with matters of domestic abuse regularly, or several dozen times in their career.

B: They know the child personally. Better than any police officer or social worker would ever know him, sometimes better than his own parents because they know what he's like away from them.

C: The school being familiar and safe surrounding, paired with the teacher/welfare officer being in the child's "friend" zone makes it the best situation to get all the facts right about this case and ensure the kid simply hasn't conjured this up. If the police are needed for purposes of arrest or further investigation, they will be called by the school/social services as/when required.

Furthermore, I don't hate the police. This can be proven by this post just yesterday:
asim18 said:
Did you call the police when you were initially robbed? Call them back and quote the CRN they gave you the first time and tell them you may have tracked down the items.
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That is all I have to say on this matter. If he wants to call the police it's also fine, at the end of the day it's his call to make.
 
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steve-h said:
Nah, just give it a hit. That'll learn it, and help you to get your aggression out at the same time!
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hmm. you're the same guy who kept calling people "rape apologists" in the other thread, aren't you... I'm guessing this is another issue where you're going to try to demonise the other side.

personally, I have nothing against smacking (done right), and I've seen that it can be an effective disciplinary tool. I've also seen parents who don't use it much, if at all, and who seem to have reasonably under control children.

but to condemn parents who smack, and have healthy, happy children, is unreasonable. it's not like a child will ever be traumatised by smacking.

especially young children. they can be crying their eyes out one minute (not from pain, from being told off), and have happily forgotten all about it five minutes later...
 
asim18 said:
Great, pull out three completely pointless points. It's not about "quickest" and "easiest", this is an extremely delicate matter which needs to be planned.

The school is simply a better place to investigate because:

A: As I said they have child welfare officer (or a senior teacher who is given this role) who deal with matters of domestic abuse regularly, or several dozen times in their career.

B: They know the child personally. Better than any police officer or social worker would ever know him, sometimes better than his own parents because they know what he's like away from them.

C: The school being familiar and safe surrounding, paired with the teacher/welfare officer being in the child's "friend" zone makes it the best situation to get all the facts right about this case and ensure the kid simply hasn't conjured this up. If the police are needed for purposes of arrest or further investigation, they will be called by the school/social services as/when .
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Wow, a senior teacher who deals with maybe a few dozen examples of this in their career is a better option than social services who deal with a few dozen examples of this EVERY DAY.

Well done, I bow to your superior logic.
 
Morba said:
Wow, a senior teacher who deals with maybe a few dozen examples of this in their career is a better option than social services who deal with a few dozen examples of this EVERY DAY.

Well done, I bow to your superior logic.
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Erm. I said the school have private liaison with child social services and will obviously work together with them.

Furthermore, you've gone from "call the police, call the police" to "social services".

Also, you clearly have no idea how domestic abuse cases are handled in schools. Do you really think the social sevices won't liaise with the school anyway?

I will leave it at that. :)
 
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So teacher, senior, liaison all of which have less experience than social services directly.

I have a good idea how they are handled and when direct contact with social services is available as an option it is the best route to take.
 
Morba said:
when direct contact with social services is available as an option it is the best route to take.
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As opposed to direct contact with social services being unavailable?

See you're just pulling ideas out of nowhere. So I really need to leave it at that.
 
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asim18 said:
As opposed to direct contact with social services being unavailable?

See you're just pulling ideas out of nowhere. So I will leave it at that. No more please.
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I think you should leave it as you are now suggesting direct contact is not available.
SS will have a 24hr manned desk for contact, so how on earth is direct contact NOT available?
 
Morba said:
I think you should leave it as you are now suggesting direct contact is not available.
SS will have a 24hr manned desk for contact, so how on earth is direct contact NOT available?
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No. You said "When" it is "available". Meaning that YOU think there are certain times when it is unavailable.

I said "As opposed to it being unavailable?" meaning I disagree that there there are times when it is unavailable.

Mother of god. Cant believe I've just had to explain the meaning of "As opposed to".
 
I have never said it is not available, I've said a few times there is a 24hr contact.
So you are simply talking out your rear end. Go away now
 
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