HD8800 Series Coming

[dave_beast]

Problem with the 78xx cards (even when overclocked) would still struggle to hold 50fps at the more demanding games. I'd wait until a 7950 level performance card hit sub-£180 price range.

Lol, you know when you over clock a 7850 it out performs an Nvidia 580 3gb at 1080p right?

 

[Marine-RX179]

Lol, you know when you over clock a 7850 it out performs an Nvidia 580 3gb at 1080p right?

And what has that gotta do with 7850/7870 wouldn't hold 50fps plus in some games? Have no idea why you have to drag Nvidia into this, when I'm speaking strictly performance wise of the AMD cards.

Stop trying to turn everything into drama of AMD vs Nvidia. It gets quite old and boring.

 

[FoxEye]

Problem with the 78xx cards (even when overclocked) would still struggle to hold 50fps at the more demanding games. I'd wait until a 7950 level performance card hit sub-£180 price range.

As much as I'd love that to happen, I don't think it will. The cheapest 7950 I've seen in the wild was £220. I can't see it losing £40, as much as I'd love it to.

Similarly, a GTX660 for £150 would be fine, but I can't see those cards losing £30 any time soon either.

How I'd love to be wrong, tho

 

[Marine-RX179]

As much as I'd love that to happen, I don't think it will. The cheapest 7950 I've seen in the wild was £220. I can't see it losing £40, as much as I'd love it to.

Similarly, a GTX660 for £150 would be fine, but I can't see those cards losing £30 any time soon either.

How I'd love to be wrong, tho

Sorry, I meant when HD8800 are out

It's not impossible, consider both 6950 and GTX570 drop to below £150 at one point after new cards are launched

 

[Gregster]

It is just a shame it is AMD releasing a new card and not Nvidia On a serious note, I hope the top end does have a massive increase over the current gen of cards and I will be interested. What does worry me is voltages...I wonder if AMD will follow Nvidia into locking down volts and wrapping them in cotton wool?

Nvidia are onto something here with people less likely to overvolt a GPU if you can't alter the voltage. I bet they have had less cards borked and returned because of over volting.

 

[bhavv]

Meh, I used to have a Radeon 8800, the GF3 Ti500 walked all over them

Haha, ATI didnt really shine until the 9700 unfortunately.

I loved my Geforce 3.

 

[spoffle]

Not from what I read. Seriously you honestly believe that? £250 for both?

What exactly is your disbelief based on?

For £250 you get the console and the tablet controller, what's so hard to believe?

http://www.thehut.com/10475210.html?nav=usp


Wii U Console: 8GB Basic Pack will Include:

8 GB memory
Wii U Console in White
Wii U GamePad in White
Wii U AC Adapter
Wii U GamePad AC Adapter
High Speed HDMI Cable

I find it more surprising that you thought the console by itself without the new tablet controller would be £250.

 

[Marine-RX179]

It is just a shame it is AMD releasing a new card and not Nvidia On a serious note, I hope the top end does have a massive increase over the current gen of cards and I will be interested. What does worry me is voltages...I wonder if AMD will follow Nvidia into locking down volts and wrapping them in cotton wool?

Nvidia are onto something here with people less likely to overvolt a GPU if you can't alter the voltage. I bet they have had less cards borked and returned because of over volting.

Just hope that we won't see both Nvidia and AMD following Intel and knock-down overclocking altogether, and charge a premium for special edition that can overclock

 

[dave_beast]

And what has that gotta do with 7850/7870 wouldn't hold 50fps plus in some games? Have no idea why you have to drag Nvidia into this, when I'm speaking strictly performance wise of the AMD cards.

Stop trying to turn everything into drama of AMD vs Nvidia. It gets quite old and boring.

I was merely quoting a comparable GPU power to your put down of the 78** series, which will, when overclocked get far more fps than you would otherwise suggest incorrectly.

 

[Locky]

Pitcarn is an incredible card efficiency wise, its only problem is its too small for a high end gpu. If they can make a card around the 7970 size - the bus - overhead for very early 28nm process they can start looking at a very very efficient card.

Though from that table the huge increase in both SP and DP performance in only 800million transistors is almost unbelievable, just about possible though. THe whole core isn't shaders so if that 800million transistors was almost entirely shaders then you'd get a very unbalanced increase in performance in the favour of shader power. Likewise its only 270mm2 suggested there, but with 15% of the die size dedicated to fighting low yields and spacing out parts to reduce heat/power then you end up with a huge amount of waste. By the "next" gen of cards, or the refresh you can essentially claim most of that 15% back. A pitcarn without that 15% wasted would actually end up being close to 180mm2... then a jump to 270mm2 looks relatively a lot bigger, a 50% increase in die size rather than 30% die size increase 212mm2 up to 270mm2 looks.

Nvidia may/may not have that kind of die size space available to them. Firstly theirs was much much bigger than pitcarn to start, secondly their low yields last gen were down to not adding overhead to allow for low yields and I wouldn't be surprised if supposedly not great yields of the GK104(not bad either) weren't similar.

ultimately AMD's biggest problem in the current gen wasn't having a card around 300mm2. Rectifying that while also having the mature process advantages should lead to a really good card overall.

Why am I finding my self agreeing with DM's massive posts more and more?

 

[Marine-RX179]

I was merely quoting a comparable GPU power to your put down of the 78** series, which will, when overclocked get far more fps than you would otherwise suggest incorrectly.

My comment of 7850/7870's performance was already with overclocking taken in the account. If I want solid 50fps+ in the slightly more demanding games, I'd have to go for a 7950 at least.

 

[dave_beast]

My comment of 7850/7870's performance was already with overclocking taken in the account. If I want solid 50fps+ in the slightly more demanding games, I'd have to go for a 7950 at least.

Well you can get at least 60fps in BF3 at ultra settings, albeit with 2xmsaa at 1080p with an mildly overclocked 7850, so would assume a 7870 would be better than that, so i'm not completely sure where you pull your information from?

 

[ptneps]

Well you can get at least 60fps in BF3 at ultra settings, albeit with 2xmsaa at 1080p with an mildly overclocked 7850, so would assume a 7870 would be better than that, so i'm not completely sure where you pull your information from?

No you can't lol. I run a 7870 overclocked with a 2500k @ 4.5ghz and I need to play Ultra with MSAA switched off. 2xMSAA starts causing drops into high 40's and 4xMSAA causes drops to high 30's.

 

[dave_beast]

No you can't lol. I run a 7870 overclocked with a 2500k @ 4.5ghz and I need to play Ultra with MSAA switched off. 2xMSAA starts causing drops into high 40's and 4xMSAA causes drops to high 30's.

Well I set up my friends rig with a 7850 at 1200mhz and it ran it fine on an Ivybridge i5.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Well I set up my friends rig with a 7850 at 1200mhz and it ran it fine on an Ivybridge i5.

Ran fine and expecting solid 50fps+ are different things...and so is the level of stress that BF3 place on graphic card on single player campaign, 32 or less players map, and 64 players maps.

And apparently you believe looking at your friends playing BF3 for a brief while give you more knowledge about what overclocked 7850/7870 is or is not capable of than someone like ptneps who own the said card and playing the said game day in day out...

 

[dave_beast]

Ran fine and expecting solid 50fps+ are different things...and so is the level of stress that BF3 place on graphic card on single player campaign, 32 or less players map, and 64 players maps.

And apparently you believe looking at your friends playing BF3 for a brief while give you more knowledge about what overclocked 7850/7870 is or is not capable of than someone like ptneps who own the said card and playing the said game day in day out...

Are you a child?

"Runs fine" was in reply to the reply to my comment : -

at least 60fps in BF3 at ultra settings, albeit with 2xmsaa at 1080p with an mildly overclocked 7850

Where did I say I was looking at my friend playing BF3 for a brief time? It was me setting it up on my friends rig that I built, 64 player server. Maybe suggest you read what I post instead of looking for quotes that give your fruitless argument fuel.

 

[bhavv]

Its one thing if they disable overclocking all together, and another thing if they disable OCing on top of using pathetic clock speeds like 925 Mhz 7970s, GK104s, and even leaving Intel CPUs locked at 3.4 Ghz.

The way I see it is that the boost clocks really do push GK104s very far, in a lot of cases to over 1200 Mhz. Disabling overvolting / clocking on top of this when it would only net you another 20-50 MHz on most cards isn't really a big deal.

This new range of AMD GPUs will also be using boost clocks and will overclock themselves to high levels.

 

[ptneps]

Are you a child?

"Runs fine" was in reply to the reply to my comment : -

Where did I say I was looking at my friend playing BF3 for a brief time? It was me setting it up on my friends rig that I built, 64 player server. Maybe suggest you read what I post instead of looking for quotes that give your fruitless argument fuel.

Sorry, it might have seemed to be running fine but claiming 60+fps at all times with MSAA switched on is nonsense. Even 7970's drop below 60 in certain parts.

 

[humbug]

Ran fine and expecting solid 50fps+ are different things...and so is the level of stress that BF3 place on graphic card on single player campaign, 32 or less players map, and 64 players maps.

And apparently you believe looking at your friends playing BF3 for a brief while give you more knowledge about what overclocked 7850/7870 is or is not capable of than someone like ptneps who own the said card and playing the said game day in day out...

Have you even used a 7870 for any length of time? on 64 player air maps i'm averaging 55 to 60 FPS, and yes, it is absolutely smooth by any measure at any given time, it never drops below 40 and can get as high as 100, on smaller maps like Metro i'm averaging way over 80.

At stock the 7870 is at least as fast as a GTX 580 in BF3, overclocked it's as fast as a 7950 running at 1000Mhz.

You under estimate the 78## series cards.

 

[dave_beast]

Even 7970's drop below 60 in certain parts.

No they don't