Police taser innocent blind man

[Glaucus]

You can't tell the difference between a blind man with a stick and a samurai warrior and neither can that particular officer.....what did you expect me to say

there. You are at it again. Do you actually read. Or construct stories in your head.
Where did I justify the officers? Where did I say I would tazer him?
Oh wait I haven't and didn't.


However using he is blind and has had two strokes for a reason not to tazer him is absurd.
What you should be using to support not tazering him, is he wasn't a threat, he was shot in the back etc.

So kindly get of your pedestal and actually read and understand.

 

[Amnesia]

there. You are at it again. Do you actually read. Or construct stories in your head.
Where did I justify the officers? Where did I say I would tazer him?
Oh wait I haven't and didn't.


However using he is blind and has had two strokes for a reason not to tazer him is absurd.
What you should be using to support not tazering him, is he wasn't a threat, he was shot in the back etc.

So kindly get of your pedestal and actually read and understand.

Yea i guess i missed the threat angle and should read and understand

He was blind so far less of a threat than the average guy, he was old which is another reason he is less of a threat. Now if you think the police need tasers to arrest this old blind and unarmed man then there is either something wrong with your way of thinking or the force as a whole has become incompetent.

You said him being blind should have nothing to do with if he gets tasered or not. I do because it makes him far less of a threat to a police officer. Multiple police officers should be able to deal with a blind old non-violent unarmed man without resorting to tasers.
I guess we just have different expectations from the police.

Not exclude, you said it should have nothing to do with it, as in shouldn't be taken into consideration.
So if someone is screaming and shouting then the police shouldn't care that he is old and blind or take into consideration that he is little threat to them in his old fragile blind state and should taser him anyway.

you're deffo twins

 

[Glaucus]

What do you not understand, I've made it very clear.

Being blind or old does not mean you don't tazer. It's as simple as that go back and read, especially the first post of mine you quoted and try again.

Also they do not know he's blind. You can't tell that at all.
Or do you have trouble understanding.

Someone being blind does not automatically lower the risk either. There's situations where being blind would actually increase the risk to everyone.

 

[Pestilence]

"No! No! Please, I'm blind! I'm blind!"

"Yeah, blindly refusing to FOLLOW INSTRUCTION!!!"

<ZZZZZZZZZAAAPPPP>

 

[MrMoonX]

It is concerning that, burnsy, glaucus et al are coppers and are pseudo defending the actions of the officer in this case. Just proves the point that the police defend each other no matter what !

 

[Glaucus]

It is concerning that, burnsy, glaucus et al are coppers and are pseudo defending the actions of the officer in this case. Just proves the point that the police defend each other no matter what !

I'm not a copper and find one single post where I've defender the coppers. Pseudo or otherwise.

You need to learn to read as well.

 

[Zefan]

It is concerning that, burnsy, glaucus et al are coppers and are pseudo defending the actions of the officer in this case. Just proves the point that the police defend each other no matter what !

I like the bit where you said Glaucus is a policeman

 

[Burnsy2023]

It is concerning that, burnsy, glaucus et al are coppers and are pseudo defending the actions of the officer in this case. Just proves the point that the police defend each other no matter what !

You've also missed the point where I've said I'm not defending the actions, I just don't think we have enough information to judge - which I think is entirely reasonable.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

There's more to this story -

Mr Williams said police had "received a number of reports that a man was walking through Chorley armed with a samurai sword".

I find it strange that multiple people and the Police can make the same mistake.
Could it be there was another man who actually had a sword?

 

[GolfNovember90]

there was another man, he was arrested shortly after.

,y point was that if this chap matches the description and he's got something that *could* be mistaken for a sword then that will influence your decision making.

 

[Deific]

Where were you and what were you doing?

walking along the street minding my own business.

 

[TheVoice]

Tasers were only brought in to the UK as an alternative to 'Deadly Force', to be used if possible instead of Firearms

They were not introduced as an alternative to firearms, but as a supplement to them where a less-lethal option may be more useful. Originally they could only be used when firearms were authorised (during the initial trials) but that changed in 2007.

Taser is intended to be an alternative to other methods of force, not a step-down from firearms.

It is concerning that, burnsy, glaucus et al are coppers and are pseudo defending the actions of the officer in this case. Just proves the point that the police defend each other no matter what !

That's not the case at all, they're trying to provide an alternative insight and trying to quell the torrent of misinformation and ridiculous opinion that these sorts of 'discussions' always suffer from.

I've lost a lot of respect for these guys defending this morons actions.

You just sound like politicians.

And a lot of the people on the 'other' side of the argument sound like dribbling Daily Mail fanatics.

 

[Burnsy2023]

They were not introduced as an alternative to firearms, but as a supplement to them where a less-lethal option may be more useful.

Most people don't realise there is a hierarchy of force used by an officer. All officers should be familiar with this.

Presence - Just being in an area.
Tactical Comms - Being able to calm a situation by talking
Primary Control Skills - Empty hand skills, handcuffs and wrist locks.
CS Spray or PAVA
Secondary Control Skills - Baton Strikes and Punches to fleshy areas.
Baton Strikes and Punches to more boney areas such as knees
Deadly force

Where do you think Taser goes?

 

[MrMoonX]

Most people don't realise there is a hierarchy of force used by an officer. All officers should be familiar with this.

Presence - Just being in an area.
Tactical Comms - Being able to calm a situation by talking
Primary Control Skills - Empty hand skills, handcuffs and wrist locks.
CS Spray or PAVA
Secondary Control Skills - Baton Strikes and Punches to fleshy areas.
Baton Strikes and Punches to more boney areas such as knees
Deadly force

Where do you think Taser goes?

In this case first option


The fact you refer to communication skills as "tactical coms" highlights exactly why the police use force too much. Good communication should be second nature not a tactical thing to be deployed

 

[mrk]

how do these people make it through the screening process?

If you've worked in a few work environments over the span of several years then you'll realise exactly how!

Poor management results in poor recruitment.

 

[TheVoice]

Most people don't realise there is a hierarchy of force used by an officer. All officers should be familiar with this.

Presence - Just being in an area.
Tactical Comms - Being able to calm a situation by talking
Primary Control Skills - Empty hand skills, handcuffs and wrist locks.
CS Spray or PAVA
Secondary Control Skills - Baton Strikes and Punches to fleshy areas.
Baton Strikes and Punches to more boney areas such as knees
Deadly force

Where do you think Taser goes?

In my own mind, and knowing what I know already, it'd be between CS and Secondary Control Skills. If you're at the point where you're having to physically hit someone to gain control and compliance, a Taser strike (or just the threat of one, in most cases) would potentially have been more effective.

 

[Will21st]

Most people don't realise there is a hierarchy of force used by an officer. All officers should be familiar with this.

Presence - Just being in an area.
Tactical Comms - Being able to calm a situation by talking
Primary Control Skills - Empty hand skills, handcuffs and wrist locks.
CS Spray or PAVA
Secondary Control Skills - Baton Strikes and Punches to fleshy areas.
Baton Strikes and Punches to more boney areas such as knees
Deadly force

Where do you think Taser goes?

Isn't it amazing how many experts there are in the UK on all things Law Enforcement.The level of police bashing on this island is sickening,tbh.

Cops do good,protect people and maintain public order everyday and receive no thanks for it from anyone.As soon as a copper makes a mistake they get shred to bits. Pretty embarrassing really and just shows the toxic attitude of large swathes of the British public.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The fact you refer to communication skills as "tactical coms" highlights exactly why the police use force too much. Good communication should be second nature not a tactical thing to be deployed

Well done on taking the comment out of context. This is specifically in the use of force. Of course we're going to talk anyway, but this is about controlling a situation.

 

[Will21st]

In this case first option


The fact you refer to communication skills as "tactical coms" highlights exactly why the police use force too much. Good communication should be second nature not a tactical thing to be deployed

Can I ask you where else you've lived?

I've found the police here to be very non-confrontational,mostly polite and generally taking way,way more crap than most coppers in other countries would.
When I see the way British public mouth off and get in the face of Bobbies here I just shake my head in disbelief. Then you get a judge ruling that Bobbies should take it on their chin.

 

[Spangles]

I have not read through the thread, but I just have to say, this whole story is one of the funniest things ever. Brings a smile to my face every time I hear people talking about it.

Dark humor