"The Terrifying Rise of Greece’s Nazi Party"

MadMossy said:
War will happen, its overdue in fact, I don't see the economy recovering at all in places like Greece and it's only a matter of time before they start invading near by countries for food, supplies and anything else they can get their hands on.
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And who exactly do you think Greece are going to invade?
 
Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey take your pick, when people are desperate and there is little sign of hope they will do anything and everything to survive.

If that means entering a neighbouring country and looting as much as they possibly can they will. It is only a matter of time.

I may not be an invasion as such but it will be the start of something that would have much greater consequences.
 
drunkenmaster said:
There are not enough jobs for the "western" style economy to function as it is now, let alone in another 20-30-100 years. We have since the dawn of the industrial revolution needed less and less people to do the same jobs, at an astonishingly increased rate in the past 20-30 years with computers and roboticised manufacturing.
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This is a good thing tbh... its not like new industries haven't cropped up. The fact that 90%+ of the population isn't all working in agriculture as they would have been prior to industrialisation is rather a good thing. The fact that we need less and less people to be involved in food production, manufacturing etc.. allows other industries to develop. I fail to see why this is a bad thing, even the poorest people in our society have a better quality of life.
 
MadMossy said:
Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey take your pick, when people are desperate and there is little sign of hope they will do anything and everything to survive.

If that means entering a neighbouring country and looting as much as they possibly can they will. It is only a matter of time.

I may not be an invasion as such but it will be the start of something that would have much greater consequences.
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Can't see it happening personally.
 
scorza said:
Who would have thought that a massive fall in living standards coupled with mass unemployment and successive corrupt governments would result in a rise in extremism.
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yup, in addition to this Nazi party the Greeks also have a communist party enjoying similar success. Mainstream parties have been perceived to have failed so more radical ideas in either direction have attracted votes.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
Greece would be obliterated in a war.

Army of the United States of Europe, Assemble!
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I know it, you know it and everyone else knows it, doesn't mean it won't happen.

Like I said when people get desperate they will do anything to survive if that means entering another country to loot towns/villages for food they will.

There not going to just stand around and stave to death.
 
MadMossy said:
Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey take your pick, when people are desperate and there is little sign of hope they will do anything and everything to survive.

If that means entering a neighbouring country and looting as much as they possibly can they will. It is only a matter of time.

I may not be an invasion as such but it will be the start of something that would have much greater consequences.
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Romania and Bulgaria are in a similar state, if not worse than Greece...invading either would have little justification from a military or economic objective....invading Turkey or Italy would be more feasible from an economic perspective and militarily because it is not a me,ver of the EU , but Turkey in particular has far greater capacity than Greece to wage a war and any overt military action from Greece on any of its immediate neighbours would open them to attack on all fronts as both the EU member states and NATO respond, Greee could be easily and effectively annexed and denied access to any of its neighbours by the combined forces of its neighbours...they are not like Germany of the 1930s who has access to a large military and the economic and industrial structure to support it.

A mob with loot from its own, it rarely moves away from its immediate centre of influence and is even easier to contain by a martial force than an opposing military. Look how easily Israel contain the Gazans.

Also you will be surprised just how much the general populace will tolerate in the face of limited or no alternatives.....
 
I fail to see what's 'Nazi' about this party. They have nothing to do with German autonomy and expansionism to the East. The fact that they want to look after their own people/culture and manage their own finances against the predator banker forces makes them evil Nazis?

You people support and fund a 'aparthied' state which deals in ethnic cleansing/land grabbing and whose citizenship is based on RACE (Israel) but your leaders support this entirely. Yet the Ziomedia will demonise anyone with that N word who wants to control their own destiny. Do you not see the incredible double-think and hypocrisy? Real sheeple post articles like this.
 
drunkenmaster said:
There are not enough jobs for the "western" style economy to function as it is now, let alone in another 20-30-100 years. We have since the dawn of the industrial revolution needed less and less people to do the same jobs, at an astonishingly increased rate in the past 20-30 years with computers and roboticised manufacturing.
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I don't buy in to this theory; there have been a 'reducing number of jobs' for millenia, yet we still find employment for billions of people today. As we advance what we do is use capital to increase productivity, but that capital cannot be wielded automatically without employment.

As an example, it requires far less manual effort for me to communicate with someone in China today than it did 200 years ago, but we still need to build and maintain the computer systems and networks to allow that, and the ease of communication opens up opportunities for trade that weren't there before. It's the basics of growth.

The sum output and level of employment in the world rises continuously, and I suspect endlessly; as humans we need and want things, and only other humans can facilitate that, whether it be directly or not.
 
King Damager said:
There's no military issue here. Greece has no real army.

It's going to be more interesting as to what happens internally in the country.

kd
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I'm not questioning that there will be a military issue, but why say that Greece has no real army?

I know for a fact that they do, as I've served in the Cyprus National Guard and they "lend" 1000 men and tanks and weapons to us, so they must have something.
 
King Damager said:
There's no military issue here. Greece has no real army.

It's going to be more interesting as to what happens internally in the country.

kd
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Greece does have a proper Armed Forces. It is a modern and well equipped conventional force, primarily defensive with limited fore projection, but it is an effective and significant force......it wouldn't however be effective against the combined forces available to the EU or NATO if they decided to invade one of its neighbours.
 
Meridian said:
What I love about groen is his ability to get so many things wrong in such a short space of time. The only bit that is close to right is the first phrase. Yes: as countries head towards chaos, they look for scapegoats, and foreigners and/or Jews are the top of the list (that's not a Godwin reference, pogroms are common). But immigrants are after jobs, not welfare. That's why the bigots accuse them of "stealing our jobs". The Greeks money wasn't taken by the EU, because they get far more money from the EU than they pay into it. It was a) not paid in the first place, and b) urinated away by a corrupt government (who colluded in a) above for their rich friends). And yes, it's the rise of an actual fascist party. I'm sure there are ideological differences with the actual Nazis, but the Nazis weren't ideologically pure in the first place, so many would agree with new clowns.
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Wrong? I think you mean you simply disagree. Big difference. Immigrants after jobs, in greece? Are you serious? Last I checked that economy was not very forthcoming with jobs.

Whether the greeks had more to gain from the eu than other member states is irrelevant to my point, that the people who might not have individually agreed with the eu currency or having their government taken over are desperate. I never disagreed that it was a racist party, i was just saying that the parties popularity is due to the greeks desperation as a result of the eu.
 
MadMossy said:
I know it, you know it and everyone else knows it, doesn't mean it won't happen.

Like I said when people get desperate they will do anything to survive if that means entering another country to loot towns/villages for food they will.

There not going to just stand around and stave to death.
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lol who will fight for the euro army? I know my allegiance lies with England not some Fedual Europe!

the European union has always been destined to end in war too many proud countries with their heritage to be ruled by faceless technocrats
 
I confess that I haven't read Golden Dawn's manifesto, but I'd be surprised if invading the rest of Europe was in it. Fascist politics are usually quite insular so I would guess they'd want to cut Greece off from the EU not take it over.
 
Castiel said:
Greece does have a proper Armed Forces. It is a modern and well equipped conventional force, primarily defensive with limited fore projection, but it is an effective and significant force......it wouldn't however be effective against the combined forces available to the EU or NATO if they decided to invade one of its neighbours.
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Well, yeah that was my real point. They might as well not have an army for the use it would do if they did try to invade a neighbour.

kd
 
I'm not sure 18 out of 300 parliament seats is a reason to ring alarm bells.
In 2009 European elections in UK 19 out of 72 MEP seats were given to nationalist and separatist parties. Unlike Greece, the voting mood in Britain wasn't caused by austerity measures or thousands of people being directly threaten by governments of foreign countries to loose their cushy public sector pensions, it was caused by sheer uneducated stupidity and the ever easy to exploit hate of Johnny Foreigner.

What's more, 18 out of 300 Greek parliament members is not enough to cause any problems beyond small group of cretins resorting to fist fights during political debates in TV studios, whereas giving over quarter of British European Parliament voting power to fringe right wingers and anti EC nuts pretty much derails any chance of said country to lobby or make any benefitting changes to decisions and legislations for half a decade.
 
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