So are all phone prices gonna tumble now?

satchef1 said:
Google are hugely popular and fashionable? I'm not sure their brand value is as good as you're making out, certainly with the general public. The Nexus 7 is doing okay, but not THAT great. No Nexus device has, on contract or SIM free. This one will probably do better, but I bet Samsung sell many times more S3s in the next three months...
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I'd agree with this. Most people don't even consider the sim-free option as there's simply no way they could afford it, and even if Google does some great marketing and everyone knows they can be had for £240/£280 most people wouldn't realise it could save them money.

For the Nexus 4 to do better than the S3 I think Google would literally have to spell it out: "Normally phones are £500, buy this and save X over 18 months and choose whatever contract you want!?1!!!"
 
It really is quite surprising they skimped on Flash storage for a flagship device like this, especially when there were more expensive components they could've cut back on if they were desperate to keep the cost low (eg. a dual-core CPU or a slightly less fancy display, or stick a piece of plastic on the back instead of an intricately-machined slab of Gorilla Glass). My guess is in 3 months the 8GB model will be gone and there'll be a new 32GB model costing what the 16GB one costs now, like what happened with the Nexus 7.
 
manveruppd said:
It really is quite surprising they skimped on Flash storage for a flagship device like this, especially when there were more expensive components they could've cut back on if they were desperate to keep the cost low (eg. a dual-core CPU or a slightly less fancy display, or stick a piece of plastic on the back instead of an intricately-machined slab of Gorilla Glass). My guess is in 3 months the 8GB model will be gone and there'll be a new 32GB model costing what the 16GB one costs now, like what happened with the Nexus 7.
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I don't think it's surprising at all. Google is all about the cloud so why encourage people to store locally?
 
manveruppd said:
It really is quite surprising they skimped on Flash storage for a flagship device like this, especially when there were more expensive components they could've cut back on if they were desperate to keep the cost low (eg. a dual-core CPU or a slightly less fancy display, or stick a piece of plastic on the back instead of an intricately-machined slab of Gorilla Glass). My guess is in 3 months the 8GB model will be gone and there'll be a new 32GB model costing what the 16GB one costs now, like what happened with the Nexus 7.
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It's not surprising at all, they want people to use cloud services for things.

It would have been nice if they went 16/32GB instead of 8GB though.
 
satchef1 said:
Google are hugely popular and fashionable? I'm not sure their brand value is as good as you're making out, certainly with the general public. The Nexus 7 is doing okay, but not THAT great. No Nexus device has, on contract or SIM free. This one will probably do better, but I bet Samsung sell many times more S3s in the next three months...
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The nexus 7 is doing that great.

If the nexus 4 gets the same distribution and marketing so that it sits sim free in major high street stores it will sell well i imagine.
 
Snax said:
If the nexus 4 gets the same distribution and marketing so that it sits sim free in major high street stores it will sell well i imagine.
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I wouldn't have thought so. Most people buy whatever phone is free with their contract or cheapest on payg. For Joe Public, £250 on a phone is a huge amount.
Remember that we on this forum inhabit an unusual microcosm of society that doesn't mind shelling out for phone.
 
Glaucus said:
What's more hilliariuse is your inability to read and follow the thread.
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Ironic that you accuse me of being unable to read, considering you completely failed to answer grudas's actual question, instead choosing to reference a phone that is significantly worse in almost every way.

Your posts are always a joke tbh :(.
 
Well I didn't say a phone out there matched it to start with. I said other phones at that price point aren't that far behind and listed many of the nexus improvments so not sure why he rleisted them. Most off them as only one iteration above, and then went on to say this isnt that big a surprise that gogogle have done this, this is the first time they have competion they've had outside of top end phones. I even said it was excellently priced and speced. Also said it was good for the market and should increase minimum specs but disagreed with op taht it would make all phones tumble in price. It is still missing a huge number of potential features and the real tell is when we get the sgs4 specs.
If they aren't far ahead off this phone in features I would be gobsmacked.

So no I stick with what I said.

As others have pointed out its biggest failing is storage, most people still need large storage. The infastructure at least in the uk, is not upto the task for most people. Although I fully understand why they have taken that choice. But it will limit its sellability.
 
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Rilot said:
I wouldn't have thought so. Most people buy whatever phone is free with their contract or cheapest on payg. For Joe Public, £250 on a phone is a huge amount.
Remember that we on this forum inhabit an unusual microcosm of society that doesn't mind shelling out for phone.
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This is the same public who pay £130-£200 for beats heaphones and £100 upfront for an iphone on a terrible contract for 24 months. £240 is well within range if the advertising is strong.

Hearing that o2 and other providers have lined this up for contracts also indicates it could bea winner . £25/month for 18 months would be a compelling sell if the handset is free. These carriers will be in a superb position to offer insane deals on this to stop people flipping to 4g over the next 6 months.
 
Snax said:
This is the same public who pay £130-£200 for beats heaphones and £100 upfront for an iphone on a terrible contract for 24 months. £240 is well within range if the advertising is strong.
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Ok, but the iPhone in an anomaly.
I don't know a single person who has paid more than £0 for their phone unless its an iPhone in which case they paid their £100 and took a 2 year contract.
In fact when I bought a second hand OneX for £250 some of my friends thought I was mad as I could have had an iPhone for £100 on contract.
People don't look at the total cost. They look at the initial payment and then the monthly cost.
To most idiots, £0 phone then £30/month contract for 2 years is a better deal than £250 phone and £10/month.
It's the same thing with cars. How many people buy a brand new bottom of the line Fiesta/Corsa etc because its only £99 deposit and £200/month for 100 years. They don't look at tco or that they can have something better if they buy smarter.
 
Jeezo!

That's trumping the last nexus clear by a good £50 or more! Well and truly could (and possibly will be) my next phone!

just need to see how the camera fares.
 
MarcLister said:
Ah, right. :)

Yeah. It was the doubling of the onboard storage that drew me to the One X+ and not the One X. But as you say, where the X+ is better isn't really winning many points for the X+. I quite like the look of the Nexus 4. The only reason I want lots of storage on my phone is to see if I can get rid of my iPod and use my phone as my music player but I can either use an OTG cable and some USB pendrives to carry my music round or, as I said before, get a Nexus 4 AND a 160GB iPod Classic for the price of a sim free X+.

How important is the 2GB of RAM on the Nexus 4 going to be over other current Android phones having 'just' 1GB? Is the only benefit going to be that the Nexus 4 could run more apps concurrently without slowdown as apps get loaded in and out of RAM?

Oh and do you have anything to declare bias wise with the Nexus gadgets? You know, considering your username! :p
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Yup do either one of those things:

"I can either use an OTG cable and some USB pendrives to carry my music round or, as I said before, get a Nexus 4 AND a 160GB iPod Classic for the price of a sim free X+"

Not really that important especially when you have a chip like the S4 with stock android, however, it is nice to have in order to future proof the phone more.

Yup you pretty much got it spot on, it just keeps apps etc. in memory and when you go back to them they are brought back up front without loading from the start or reloading i.e. switch from a demanding game to the browser with like 3 tabs opened, chances are, the tabs will reload but with 2GB RAM, they won't reload at all.


hehe :D Not at all! :p ¬_¬

Have actually been using the "nexus" name for years now in games, other forums etc. long before android even existed! :eek: :D :p

kona786 said:
I think he meant HTC's task switcher - IMO it sucks compared to the stock Android method.
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Ah!

It is just the same! Just a different UI :p

But yeah I also prefer the "style" of stock for this area too. The one V has the stock implementation due to storage/space issues with sense V4 :p :o
 
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Rilot said:
Ok, but the iPhone in an anomaly.
I don't know a single person who has paid more than £0 for their phone unless its an iPhone in which case they paid their £100 and took a 2 year contract.
In fact when I bought a second hand OneX for £250 some of my friends thought I was mad as I could have had an iPhone for £100 on contract.
People don't look at the total cost. They look at the initial payment and then the monthly cost.
To most idiots, £0 phone then £30/month contract for 2 years is a better deal than £250 phone and £10/month.
It's the same thing with cars. How many people buy a brand new bottom of the line Fiesta/Corsa etc because its only £99 deposit and £200/month for 100 years. They don't look at tco or that they can have something better if they buy smarter.
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Youre limiting yourself the uk (i also dont think most people are idiots). In ths US it is not the case.
 
satchef1 said:
The OEMs won't compete; they can't afford to sell handsets at this price. They'll either go bust or pull out of the market. It wouldn't surprise me if our hardware choices are very limited in five years' time, consisting of Google Nexus, Amazon Kindle, Microsoft Surface and Apple devices.

Maybe people would like that? Decreased choice to go along with the decreased prices, and a whole industry dominated by four players? Personally, it's not for me. The lack of competition within each platform, and the need to keep prices as low as possible is only likely to stifle innovation and lead to a stagnant industry.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Actually, it is 2 or 3 depending on where you are :p

You can tap the edge of the other window "previews" to go to them without having to "preview" them fully :p
 
Regarding expandable storage,

What about the Kingston Wi-Drive? 32Gb = £50, 64GB = £70, it acts like a wireless access point, can multiple devices can connect..

Not as nice as being in the phone, but 64Gb for £70 with some flexibility of storage might appeal to some...

There is also the Airstash which allows you to plug in your own SD Card and share it wirelessly..
 
Nexus18 said:
Actually, it is 2 or 3 depending on where you are :p

You can tap the edge of the other window "previews" to go to them without having to "preview" them fully :p
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Fair enough - but they have fiddled for the worse as stock system just looks and works better. Vertical vs horizontal etc.
 
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