Are we losing this country?

[Castiel]

So you can't give me an explanation then?

Of course he can't, he doesn't understand it himself, he is feeding from several other websites...he is just like Cosmogenesis and kedge in his own way. He can throw terminology and figures around, but he doesn't actually understand them or know how they are arrived at.

 

[Blue160]

Of course he can't, he doesn't understand it himself,

I know that It's pretty obvious from the rest of the thread.

 

[RDM]

Irritatingly he has picked up the US version of liberal where it is some sort of insult as opposed to actually what liberalism is all about, I am liberal and very happy to be so.

 

[minister]

I gave you the sources I used..they are not available online, but you can purchase them if you so wish or if you can read Spanish/German then you can probably go to their equivalent .Gov pages to gain the information....(in fact the wiki article references older information than I pointed you to regards the IISS data sets)

http://www.iiss.org/publications/military-balance/the-military-balance-2012/

also you didn't understand anything I said did you?...Like PMKeates points out as well, it is how those figures are calculated that gives a non-comparable figure..(I won't mention that your wiki link contradicts you with regard several of your figures), or that you contradicted yourself regards France and then Spain......the wiki article points out that many countries include civilian and police forces in their military reserve figures and I explained this in my post, you either didn't read it or didn't understand it.

link the page with the details.

 

[minister]

I genuinely have no idea what that sentence means

Go back and read it i have added more.

 

[minister]

Irritatingly he has picked up the US version of liberal where it is some sort of insult as opposed to actually what liberalism is all about, I am liberal and very happy to be so.

Liberalism lol you joking right? equality do we have equality now? no we do not. freedom of movement we dont have that, civil rights well over the past 10 years it has been eroded the list goes on... and you still think it is.
Yet none have answered any of my questions and there are plenty.

 

[Castiel]

link the page with the details.

I did...you can purchase the IISS report from there or you can go to a library or there are other ways to get it that I cannot say on here but think music downloads and you will get there in the end..... You have also given links that give you the same information, only you didn't understand it or didn't read it fully.

 

[minister]

Of course he can't, he doesn't understand it himself, he is feeding from several other websites...he is just like Cosmogenesis and kedge in his own way. He can through terminology and figures around, but he doesn't actually understand them or know how they are arrived at.

lol here we go again, were is the page with the numbers? you have just linked me to the main page with no information refering to what you have said.

 

[minister]

I did...you can purchase the IISS report from there or you can go to a library or there are other ways to get it that I cannot say on here but think music downloads and you will get there in the end..... You have also given links that give you the same information, only you didn't understand it or didn't read it fully.

Give me a link to the numbers and details, i'm not going to look for it, you are suppose present it not me, thats your argument isn't ?
So you are arguing about something with no proof? apart from go pay for it.

 

[Cleeecooo]

I have given you examples of those that do not pay taxes that go towards the NHS.
Don't you worry it becoming like that, I can give many examples, and it's going to get worse, the NHS is being privitised via the back door. If you want the NHS to be free then you need put aside liberal fascism and start to talk about immigration.
I would start buy introducing a NHS fee when they buy visas, then It would only cover accidents not cover organ desease etc.. only after years of being here then it woudl cover it.

Did you know Liverpool Care Pathway they were giving money to put the old onto it as it saved them money, hospitals were given cash too kill.

No, you have, as it seems usual for you, given completely and utterly retarded, nonsensical, made up off the top of your head examples. As I said, some people abuse the NHS, but taxpayers fund the thing. The super rich often have private healthcare anyway.

Talk about immigration as much as you like, put please, for the love of god, STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND LEARN SOME SPELLING AND/OR GRAMMAR FFS.

Let's say some holiday maker comes over here and has a heart attack, you do realise that if they don't have insurance they do have to pay for all tests the NHS do, right?

Also, you do know that people cant just come to this country from Somalia and walk into a hospital and say "I can haz new heart plox?" and simply get one?

What if a professional came here from their country of origin to work here, pay taxes, contribute to this country's economy, then one year into their stay discovered they had organ disease, would you turn them away?

i'm not going to look for it

Yet you keep saying something along the lines of "go look it up" to anyone who questions some of your rubbish?

 

[minister]

No, you have, as it seems usual for you, given completely and utterly retarded, nonsensical, made up off the top of your head examples. As I said, some people abuse the NHS, but taxpayers fund the thing. The super rich often have private healthcare anyway.

?

They all end up using the NHS even the financially clever who find ways to not pay towards NHS, private health does not cover everthing, they are limited to what they can do.
And what examples do you refer too?

 

[minister]

Yet you keep saying something along the lines of "go look it up" to anyone who questions some of your rubbish?

Because it can be easily found with google, so there is no reason for me to go into great detail, I have given few examples. However your post requires more specialist knowledge which can not be found as easy so a link is required with the information that shows the details, which you haven't.

 

[minister]

Let's say some holiday maker comes over here and has a heart attack, you do realise that if they don't have insurance they do have to pay for all tests the NHS do, right?

Also, you do know that people cant just come to this country from Somalia and walk into a hospital and say "I can haz new heart plox?" and simply get one?

Yes they do, bit wet behind the ears hey... infact they go as far as putting the population at risk.

 

[Cleeecooo]

They all end up using the NHS even the financially clever who find ways to not pay towards NHS, private health does not cover everthing, they are limited to what they can do.
And what examples do you refer too?

It's interesting how you only pick up on the tiniest bit of my posts instead of the massive chunk showing you how useless most of your arguments are.

My proof is if you look at how well private health firms have been doing over the last decade or so. They're growing in size rapidly as more people want and can afford private healthcare.

Private healthcare, if you have the money, can and will offer EVERYTHING the NHS can.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Because it can be easily found with google, so there is no reason for me to go into great detail, I have given few examples. However your post requires more specialist knowledge which can not be found as easy so a link is required with the information that shows the details, which you haven't.

The easiest graphical representation I can possibly give is this:
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:CUK&ei=NZKWUNi7KOGXwQOjqQE

Part of BUPA, share prices have rocketed and the company itself has gotten much larger.

Yes they do, bit wet behind the ears hey... infact they go as far as putting the population at risk.

No, they don't. Proof or GTFO.

Also, you do relaise you can post this all in one post? Press the "multi" button (3 multis per post) or just manually copy and paste instead of spamming with so many posts.

 

[minister]

It's interesting how you only pick up on the tiniest bit of my posts instead of the massive chunk showing you how useless most of your arguments are.

My proof is if you look at how well private health firms have been doing over the last decade or so. They're growing in size rapidly as more people want and can afford private healthcare.

Private healthcare, if you have the money, can and will offer EVERYTHING the NHS can.

No it can not and here I have proof here is a link www.google.com
btw you may have to pay for the data, but if you look you can get some information.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Do you realise that the NHS is the Toyota to private healthcare's Lexus? They're pretty much the same thing, one just costs a great deal more than the other.

What is it that the Private healthcare industry can't do that the NHS can?

 

[minister]

The easiest graphical representation I can possibly give is this:
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:CUK&ei=NZKWUNi7KOGXwQOjqQE

Part of BUPA, share prices have rocketed and the company itself has gotten much larger.



No, they don't. Proof or GTFO.

Also, you do relaise you can post this all in one post? Press the "multi" button (3 multis per post) or just manually copy and paste instead of spamming with so many posts.

What has a share price to do with providing everything the NHS offers.
Some treatments need a lot of expensive, specialised equipment which is not available in private hospitals.

 

[Cleeecooo]

What has a share price to do with providing everything the NHS offers.
Some treatments need a lot of expensive, specialised equipment which is not available in private hospitals.

If you have good enough insurance, you can get that treatment abroad. It's the sad fact that money can buy you pretty much anything. The NHS has some top notch stuff, but private hospitals with more cash than they know what to do with will have it too if the demand for it is there.

The share price was showing that over the last decade, more people have chosen not to be as reliant on the NHS, it had nothing to do with the treatment offered

 

[Castiel]

Give me a link to the numbers and details, i'm not going to look for it, you are suppose present it not me, thats your argument isn't ?
So you are arguing about something with no proof? apart from go pay for it.

You don't have to look for it...you have already given the relevant links, go and read them properly....it clearly states that the figures are subjective because of the different ways in which each country assesses its military reserve, for example, as I explained earlier, Spain include their Police and Civil Guard (which is a federal militaized police gendarmerie) in their figures whereas the United Kingdom doesn't. (we do not have such a federal gendarmerie).

If you look at the overall military strength of the European Countries (EU) it shows that over 50% of the military strength is provided by the UK and France, with the UK being fractionally above that of France and both being significantly above that of Spain and the rest of the EU individually.

If you read the proof you supplied it gives the same references as I did, so if you are disputing mine you are effectively disputing yourself.