US election 2012

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After months of bitter campaigning it's time for the US to vote for their next president. The US gets particularly crazy in the run-up to a presidential election, but it will all be over soon.

It will be a close election this year. Current polls suggest that the candidates are near neck-and-neck in the national polls, but that President Obama has a slight advantage in the key swing stages that are key to winning the electoral college, and with it the presidency.

Recent weeks have seen Ohio, Iowa, Colorado, Virginia and New Hampshire swing between a "toss up" and "leaning Obama" on the Huffington Post Electoral Map. North Carolina has swung between "toss-up" and leaning Romney. Florida has been consistently too close to call for weeks, with a slight advantage to the Romney camp (less than 1%) for the most part. The remaining states have remained firmly in the hands of one candidate or the other.




Click for more state-by-state detail




Mitt Romney needs to win the majority of the swing states in order to achieve victory. But in a close election anything can happen (remember Bush vs Gore 2000?). For Pres. Obama's staff, the primary concern at this stage seems to be getting supporters out to vote. Huge queues for early voting in Florida, Ohio and other swing states are causing concern for the Democrats.


It's fair to say that international opinion strongly favours Obama, as it almost always does with the Democratic candidate. While Obama's policies would be considered right-wing in most of Europe, he is positioned as one of the most left-leaning US Presidents of recent times, for example making moves towards universal healthcare ("Obamacare") - something we Europeans take for granted.

As well as the Presidential race, the congressional elections are underway. Here the Republicans seem to be on course to retain their advantage. There are also 33 senate seats up for grabs, and this race is a lot tighter. If the Democrats lose their majority in the senate then it could seriously hamper a second-term Obama presidency.


Either way, barring lawsuits or recounts, it should all be settled tonight. I'll be up late to watch the process in action, and I'll aim to update this post as the winner in the various states is called.
 
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When you say "polls suggest" and "early indicators suggest" and "X is 2 points ahead", how is this all worked out? :)

There are dozens of polls conducted every day in the swing states in the run-up to the election. As can be expected, they all give slightly different results, though they tend to converge somewhat as election day approaches.

Taking this mass of data and extracting meaningful information is not a straightforward task. The Huffington Post filter the "snapshot" polls through a poll tracking model (more information here). If you click on the link in the original post, and click on any of the states, you will see a more detailed breakdown of the poll results in each state.
 
Paikstan favours Romney apparently

Yesterday I read that was China, and the rest of the world favoured Obama.
LOL.

Imagine foreign govts being stupid enough to **** off the new preseident before he gets into office, no matter which one of them wins.

Anywya after they elected Bush a second time, through freewill rather than him cheating, the US population deserve all the get.
 
More misdirection and showmanship, have everyone focus on the guys who sit in the seat and do nothing to change the same people paying people to vote on bills the way that favours them every time.

If there were two guys, saying exactly the same thing, they get in power, and nothing changes on the surface people might just notice that the government is run by a bunch of retards whose "opinions" and votes, are paid for, and it doesn't matter who is in charge.

By having a stark contrast in people up for election it makes stupid people feel that if they vote for someone saying something completely different..... there will be a different outcome.

Rubbish, the little things, daft votes on daft crap that doesn't really matter, the ultra left leaning twit hasn't done a thing on getting tax off the super rich, neither has Labour "the working mans party" done anything about getting tax off rich people here.

I mean, oil companies, restrictions, safety, real health care, real taxation, real withdrawal from war, real reduction in defence spending, etc, things the country needs. But nothing changed under Obama, increase in defence spending, still at war, lied about when he'd pull out of war, loads of grandeous promises about renewable energy to happen 25 years after he's out of power. What is still happening, rich people get rich, dodgy banking system still makes rich people richer, people manipulate the markets, manipulate the votes, move jobs to where ever makes them the most money, pay little to no real corporation tax.

Which democratic party has managed to fix corporation tax loopholes, none, who is out their trying to level the playing field in society, no one. The next four years, be it Obama or Romney in charge will be lots of big talk, no action on any of it, and lots of stupid rubbish taking up all the time, how late can you have an abortion, real "emotional" bills that take up loads of media focus while the god damned epic world changing stuff that needs to happen is quietly brushed under the carpet by someone talking up about abortion or gay marraige again.

The crucial stuff, nothing has changed under Obama, the little stuff, changes, and makes no difference, and plenty of that will be changed back the other way under Romney, and changed back again under the next democrat, and the huge stuff, like taxing the rich rather than taxing the poor and letting the rich hide their money and screw the country.... won't ever change.

Its a bit show, making people think if they vote for a different person they'll get change, they don't, so they vote for a completely different guy again, and get no real change, etc, etc, etc.
 
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While Obama's policies would be considered right-wing in most of Europe, he is positioned as one of the most left-leaning US Presidents of recent times, for example making moves towards universal healthcare ("Obamacare") - something we Europeans take for granted.

Obamacare will not provide universal healthcare. Far from it. Take a good look at the policy and you'll see it's laughably inadequate by the standards we're accustomed to in Australia, the UK, etc.
 
What time do the results start coming in? Early Wed morning?

What time do the polls close?
The first polls to close will be in some eastern states at 11pm (GMT). An hour later voters in the key battleground of Virginia will have had to have filled out their ballot forms.

At 00.30 (GMT) the polls will close in North Carolina and Ohio. If Romney doesn't take Ohio, it's game over. No Republican has got to the White House without triumphing in this state.

Thirty minutes later the polls close in Florida. It's finely balanced there at the moment with some saying Romney just has the edge.

The polls in California and other western states close around 4am (GMT).

When will we get the first results?

We won't get anything until ALL the polls are closed.

In the key states, exit polls of 25,000 are being conducted by the likes of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox. The results of those will be compiled with telephone polls to help predict the likely outcome.

Some states will post partial results.
 
What time do the results start coming in? Early Wed morning?

The east coast states that are firmly in one camp or another should be called late tonight. It will be the early hours of Wednesday before the eastern swing states or the west coast states start reporting.

By Wednesday morning UK time we should expect to have a winner.

Edit - beaten by simulatorman :p


Obamacare will not provide universal healthcare. Far from it. Take a good look at the policy and you'll see it's laughably inadequate by the standards we're accustomed to in Australia, the UK, etc.

Absolutely - hence my use of the words "making moves towards" universal healthcare. It's a far cry from what we have come to expect in Europe, but it's still a step too far for a lot of Americans. Romney has said repeatedly that he would seek to immediately repeal the bill upon his election.
 
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I'd like Romney to win. Just for the fun of watching a catastrophe unfold.

It might not actually be that bad ???? Who wins is actually irelevant as they both have to techniaclly do the same things and carry almost identical policies if they want to keep Team USA above water.

One brings more sbare rattling than the other, but neither have the balls to actually use that particular sabre against anyone, so who really cares ? We might all think Romney is retarded, but he wouldn't just decide to start a nuclear war. He'll probably be bad for the poor people, but in general from a world perspective it woul dmake vert little impact overall.
 
What time do the results start coming in? Early Wed morning?

No need to check the time.

Political commentators have estimated that the screams of incoherent rage from millions of right-wing evangelical Christians will be clearly audible across the Atlantic, so you'll know the result when you hear it.
 
I dont' understand all this key states and "if such and such doesn't win this state it's game over" ********. Doesn't the man with the most votes win? :confused:
 
It might not actually be that bad ???? Who wins is actually irelevant as they both have to techniaclly do the same things and carry almost identical policies if they want to keep Team USA above water.

One brings more sbare rattling than the other, but neither have the balls to actually use that particular sabre against anyone, so who really cares ? We might all think Romney is retarded, but he wouldn't just decide to start a nuclear war. He'll probably be bad for the poor people, but in general from a world perspective it woul dmake vert little impact overall.

Yes, but the only way to make it remotely interesting is to suggest that one candidate's victory will result in a great calamity whilst the other will hold back the floodgates of evil for another four years.

If it's just a contest of two middle-aged guys being middle-class mean about each other, then heck, may as well just watch PMQs every Wednesday.

I dont' understand all this key states and "if such and such doesn't win this state it's game over" ********. Doesn't the man with the most votes win? :confused:

Most electoral college votes secures the win, but that is not necessarily the majority (or largest minority) of ballots.
 
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