[H]Fall 2012 GPU and Driver Comparison Roundup

spoffle · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:09

H aren't in anyone's pocket, I think they've just been annoyed with AMD of late.

They've spent plenty of time being annoyed at nVidia too though, they are probably the least likely to be biased towards any one based on being in their pocket.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:14

2 of the games are sponsored by AMD. Enough said.

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:14

gregster said:
I don't buy those BF3 charts and that is that. They don't state what the 680 is boosting at. They use a ghz edition 7970 against a stock 680...Too many flaws for my liking.

IF the 680 isn't boosting, which I very much doubt greg then it's +44MHz in favour of AMD, but there is no way the 680 isn't boosting in that review.

gregster said:
2 of the games are sponsored by AMD. Enough said.

The other two are sponsered by Nvidia greg.

TheRealDeal · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:14

Rusty0611 said:
This is difficult. I'll try again.

The cards are roughly even at 1080p at a normal max OC. The 7970 is slightly faster at a 'Lightning' overclock level.

This review puts the stock 7970 at 15% faster. (HardOCP)

They're even at a normal max OC level. (Benchmark thread)

For the cards to be even at a normal max OC this implicitly implies that the 680 overclocks 15% better than the 7970 which is of course rubbish.

This on its own shows the figures are... questionable. The stock 680 results look low to me but I don't have my data to compare still. That would be my guess.

I'm out of ways to try to explain it now so please get it

Sleeping dogs is a win for the gtx680. They really could have went for max setting at 1920x1080 where amd would have won big but they chose to go higher resolution and high aa where nvidia are better

spoffle · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:16

gregster said:
2 of the games are sponsored by AMD. Enough said.

As has been said, why is this a problem? The other two are nVidia games...

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:19

TheRealDeal said:
Sleeping dogs is a win for the gtx680. They really could have went for max setting at 1920x1080 where amd would have won big but they chose to go higher resolution and high aa where nvidia are better

Ermmm higher resolutions is where the 680/70 get caught out big time. A 7950 will eat a 680 for breakfast at 5760*1080.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:21

spoffle said:
As has been said, why is this a problem? The other two are nVidia games...

Wrong!!!

AMD had the same access to BF3 that Nvidia had.

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:22

TheRealDeal said:
Glad i am not the only one seeing it this way.

Galaxy would probably drop their support if they praised AMD-if wasn't in the 'unwritten contract', that's the sad part.

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:23

gregster said:
Wrong!!!

AMD had the same access to BF3 that Nvidia had.

If you look at it that way(as I thought you counted BF3 into your above comment of 2), it would leave AMD 1(SD) to Nvidia's 2(MP3/W2) sponsored titles greg.

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:27

Heres a 1300MHz 7970 spanking a 1300mhz 680 at low res on nvidia sponsored games such as Batman AC and Metro 2033. Nuff said :cool:

Its a user who runs both rigs, so very unlikelyy to be biased.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1322119/12-11-vs-310-33

The truth is slowly coming out, the 7970 is just plain faster on average as the hardware specs suggest.

TheRealDeal · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:29

gregster said:
Ermmm higher resolutions is where the 680/70 get caught out big time. A 7950 will eat a 680 for breakfast at 5760*1080.

Yea i know but in this review they reckoned highest playable settings were high aa and 1600p. Sleeping dogs has the extreme aa option which cripples the gtx680. They took higher resolution over the higher aa option. Anyhow maybe the higher resolution looked better than lower resolution and the compute aa.

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:32

No, its the extreme AA option which cripples Nvidia. Well all AA cripples it more than the 7970 due to bandwitch constraints, but the extreme AA is the compute based AA.

TheRealDeal · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:38

psychodil said:
No, its the extreme AA option which cripples Nvidia. Well all AA cripples it more than the 7970 due to bandwitch constraints, but the extreme AA is the compute based AA.

Edited my post i forgot there's no very high in the game.

spoffle · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:42

gregster said:
Wrong!!!

AMD had the same access to BF3 that Nvidia had.

Had? No, have now, yes. They were blocked for plenty of time.

psychodil · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:45

TheRealDeal said:
Edited my post i forgot there's no very high in the game.

Sorry, too quick on the trigger. Looking again their sleeping dogs results are close to useless without an apples to apples comparison without extreme AA.

Even their 7970 results with extreme AA were at 30 FPS or so. Nobody would play with that frame rate.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:50

Sorry Tommy, I was going from memory and thought one of the games was Dirt Showdown instead of the witcher.

Spoffle, I will say it again. AMD had the same access to bf3 that Nvidia had.

TheRealDeal · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:54

psychodil said:
Sorry, too quick on the trigger. Looking again their sleeping dogs results are close to useless without an apples to apples comparison without extreme AA.

Even their 7970 results with extreme AA were at 30 FPS or so. Nobody would play with that frame rate.

The sleeping dogs apples to apples have to be a misprint. They must have been 1600p as theres people on here with 7970's with mins of 37 and average of mid 50's at 1080p. I think gregs score on his gtx680 was way higher at 1080p than all those cards.

Gregster · 13 Nov 2012 at 00:57

I have not benched sleeping dogs mate?

tommybhoy · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:09

gregster said:
Sorry Tommy, I was going from memory and thought one of the games was Dirt Showdown instead of the witcher.

Thought you were losing the plot mate.

spoffle said:
Had? No, have now, yes. They were blocked for plenty of time.

gregster said:
I will say it again. AMD had the same access to bf3 that Nvidia had.

Gregs right spoffle, it was a popular misconception(due to Nvidia having better PR by far), they both had the same amount of access from the very start.

Look for Dice's whitepaper on BF3 before release, it's all there in black and white.

Iirc, I posted on the 12.11 thread about it with all the details and the links for the paper.

TheRealDeal · 13 Nov 2012 at 01:12

gregster said:
I have not benched sleeping dogs mate?

Sorry was probably rusty.

Here's a link to Ltmatt's sleeping dogs bench.

http://img257.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=651420310_HKShip_2012_10_19_14_29_28_519_122_39lo.jpg

I just remembered, i seen a post on the H forum where kyle had said, he used the most taxing bit of the game to test cards on, which could account for why there's such a big difference.