Religion in the news again...

LordSplodge said:
Be wary of promoting science as whiter than white. Atrocities have been committed in the name of science too.
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not really, atrocities have been committed in a scientific manner, but not in the name of science.

they weren't done to appease science or because someone believed it's what science wanted. They were done because it advanced someones knowledge and more importantly the survivability of their armies and lethality of their weapons.
 
Castiel said:
I don't need to use google to talk about religion, particularly Christianity.

Anyway the problem with the basis of your disagreement is that is ignores the way that the Catholic Church defines abortion...it must be the direct and intentional termination of a viable pregnancy. It in no way puts the life of the foetus above that of the mother or vice versa and it certainly doesn't support the actions of the Hospital in refusing to induce an unviable foetus in order to save the mother (or even both if that was possible).
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Relax, it was a joke :)

I won't argue semantics on the church's definition of abortion, mainly because I've got things to do here :p but also because I think it's largely irrelevant with swaying public, and indirectly political, opinion in Ireland against abortion. I've yet to go to a mass where abortion is stated as ok in certain circumstances, and I'm not going to say it doesn't happen but I doubt those stipulations are voiced too often, based on my experience anyway.

More importantly, time for gym!
 
Castiel said:
Anyway the problem with the basis of your disagreement is that is ignores the way that the Catholic Church defines abortion...it must be the direct and intentional termination of a viable pregnancy.
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I was wondering - what would their position be on contraception methods that allow fertilisation but prevent the newly formed zygote from implanting into the uterine wall? There's not been any termination per se in that case.
 
Morbius said:
I was wondering - what would their position be on contraception methods that allow fertilisation but prevent the newly formed zygote from implanting into the uterine wall? There's not been any termination per se in that case.
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The Official Catholic Position is that artificial contraception is also not permitted. Their position is one of abstinence or natural contraception (which is something that the Laity routinely ignore).
 
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The woman died of blood poisoning. This didn't happen until the miscarriage, so at point in time the had determined no threat to the woman's life (that's how it seems to me).

The issue here is that the family were alledgely told she couldn't have one because it is a Catholic country. For all we know that could have been one thing said in 1000 things about the law.

It's very upsetting, but the law (going on reports), just isn't clear cut on such things. Religion didn't stop this, the interpretation of the law did.
 
Scougar said:
The woman died of blood poisoning. This didn't happen until the miscarriage, so at point in time the had determined no threat to the woman's life (that's how it seems to me).

The issue here is that the family were alledgely told she couldn't have one because it is a Catholic country. For all we know that could have been one thing said in 1000 things about the law.

It's very upsetting, but the law (going on reports), just isn't clear cut on such things. Religion didn't stop this, the interpretation of the law did.
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except it's the region that made the law from the usual "allowed if the pregnancy threatens the health of the woman" to "only allowed if it threatens the LIFE of the woman".

the later doctors have to be very sure it will be fatal, the former they can suspect it will be fatal but do it under health grounds that arn't quite so severe giving them more scope.
 
Tefal said:
except it's the region that made the law from the usual "allowed if the pregnancy threatens the health of the woman" to "only allowed if it threatens the LIFE of the woman".

the later doctors have to be very sure it will be fatal, the former they can suspect it will be fatal but do it under health grounds that arn't quite so severe giving them more scope.
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The Catholic Church is not established in the Republic of Ireland, the church authority has no input into the Irish Constitution or legislature. The rules on abortion in Ireland were established by Referendum and the Government.
 
Castiel said:
The Catholic Church is not established in the Republic of Ireland, the church authority has no input into the Irish Constitution or legislature. The rules on abortion in Ireland were established by Referendum and the Government.
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Based on the ideals of the people which are largely catholic in origin.
 
Tefal said:
Based on the ideals of the people which are largely catholic in origin.
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A flawed and disgraceful ideals of the uneducated and foolish who follow the cult that is the Catholic church, an organisation that has its members so thoroughly brainwashed they remain part of it even when it is revealed they have covered up and protected paedophiles.
 
Tefal said:
Based on the ideals of the people which are largely catholic in origin.
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The law against abortion is actually based on the original law held over from the United Kingdom prior to 1922 and supported by a constitutional referendum in 1983. Subsequent referendums to loosen the ban have been successful and those that sought to strengthen it have failed...counter to what the Catholic Church position is.

The same with the position of contraception.
 
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