Woman saves fox from hounds

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:19

G18241 said:
Really against fox hunting with dogs, i understand the reason behind them being hunted, but id prefer them to just be shot, painless and quick, no need for it to be ripped to bits by dogs with some toff sat there on the horse enjoying it.

But its not, not every person who owns a gun is a perfect shot. Many a fox will die a slow death from infection due to a gunshot wound. Snaring and poisoning are still actively used.

[TW]Sponge · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:19

The fox is just doing what it's always done. It's natural for a fox to kill sheep just as it's natural for a lion to kill its prey.

If you can't enclose your livestock well enough that that's your problem.

Evoss · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:21

G18241 said:
Really against fox hunting with dogs, i understand the reason behind them being hunted, but id prefer them to just be shot, painless and quick, no need for it to be ripped to bits by dogs with some toff sat there on the horse enjoying it.

I don't think anyone would would disagree that they would prefer the fox to have a painless death.

However, the general procedure is to shoot the fox in the chest to bring it down. This of course does not always kill the fox and is in agonizing pain.

So its 6 of one and half dozen of the other

[TW]Sponge;23244179 said:
The fox is just doing what it's always done. It's natural for a fox to kill sheep just as it's natural for a lion to kill its prey.

If you can't enclose your livestock well enough that that's your problem.

This is a ridiculous statement, how do you enclose free range grazing land.

So you would prefer all farm animals to be kept indoors and not be able to live outdoors grazing?

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:22

Utterly stupid statement, please explain how to enclose 400 odd acres of upland ground well enough to keep a fox out.

[TW]Sponge · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:23

Evoss said:
I don't think anyone would would disagree that they would prefer the fox to have a painless death.

However, the general procedure is to shoot the fox in the chest to bring it down. This of course does not always kill the fox and is in agonizing pain.

So its 6 of one and half dozen of the other

Its also natural for humans to hunt for food,

So you would prefer all animals to be kept indoors and not have not be able to live outdoors grazing?

But the foxes we kill aren't used for food?

Nevermind I don't really know what I'm talking about

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:24

[TW]Sponge;23244204 said:
But the foxes we kill aren't used for food?

No, they are killed to protect livestock we use for food.

Evoss · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:25

[TW]Sponge;23244204 said:
But the foxes we kill aren't used for food?

No they aren't, they are culled to prevent the slaughter of livestock.

elmarko · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:25

Ahh,

Good old country folk, think that just because they own a farm/live in the country-side the laws of the land don't apply to them.

A different breed of chav scum.

Regarding the point earlier.

Hunters 'breeding foxes' to provide for the kill

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/feb/17/hunting.ruralaffairs

A farmer shooting an animal to protect his life-stock isn't the same as a pack of dogs chasing another for miles then ripping it to pieces - no matter how much some would like to pretend it is.

The fact is, pretty much the entire voting public (Conservative or Labour) is against Fox hunting, with a small population of country-folk who are for it - I'd like to find out the percentage of actual farmers who agree with fox hunting (as I've got a feeling most would prefer to just shoot them if required).

Porceliamone · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:26

I like to watch 'hunter gets owned' vidoes on YT. Something poetic about watching the hunter (usually with a massive rifle or some other completely imbalanced and game changing tool) get their backside handed to them on a plate. I do LOL.

G18241 · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:26

wilber said:
But its not, not every person who owns a gun is a perfect shot. Many a fox will die a slow death from infection due to a gunshot wound. Snaring and poisoning are still actively used.

Then it shouldn't be done as a "hobby", it should be done as a job, like any other extermination is done, to reduce the need for any suffering.

[TW]Sponge · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:27

wilber said:
No, they are killed to protect livestock we use for food.

Not in all cases, which is what we are trying to say. People who go out all dressed up drinking whiskey in the morning looking for foxes to kill is not protecting livestock.

Hell most of the hunters don't even own a farm.

Evoss · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:29

G18241 said:
Then it shouldn't be done as a "hobby", it should be done as a job, like any other extermination is done, to reduce the need for any suffering.

I don't go out with the rifle to cull foxes as a hobby, its done to prevent the mauling of livestock.

[TW]Sponge;23244228 said:
Not in all cases, which is what we are trying to say. People who go out all dressed up drinking whiskey in the morning looking for foxes to kill is not protecting livestock.

Hell most of the hunters don't even own a farm.

The majority of huntsmen are farmers

elmarko · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:30

G18241 said:
Then it shouldn't be done as a "hobby", it should be done as a job, like any other extermination is done, to reduce the need for any suffering.

Indeed.

If it's pest-control then why all the pageantry & getting dressed up - who do they think they are fooling.

Killing for entertainment is barbaric & primitive.

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:31

No its quite different, as a fox killed by shooting could young be and healthy, whereas the majority killed by hounds are old and sick. Survival of the fittest.

As to your comment about "country folk" perhaps listening to the people who live there and work the land might have more knowledge than someone who just takes a Sunday drive through it to admire the land that is kept in this scenic way.

~Mike~ · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:33

LOL

Some on the comments in this thread are just ridiculous and just shows that a lot people here have no idea what they are talking about.

Carry on please I am enjoying this.

Twirlywoos · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:33

Evoss said:
Have you not read any of the previous posts?

Would you prefer livestock to be ripped apart or lose one fox?

They are surviving, it's what they do. The same way you survive by eating the flesh of other animals by getting the middle man to do the dirty work for you.

If farmers are concerned for their livestock then they should invest in better shelter for their animals.

I just can't see any animal being hunted, tortured mate so it's nothing against you, especially when all they are trying to do is survive.

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:34

G18241 said:
Then it shouldn't be done as a "hobby", it should be done as a job, like any other extermination is done, to reduce the need for any suffering.

And still even as a job (which it is for some) You are not going to hit your target 100% of the time and kill it outright.

wilber · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:35

majnu said:
They are surviving, it's what they do. The same way you survive by eating the flesh of other animals by getting the middle man to do the dirty work for you.

If farmers are concerned for their livestock then they should invest in better shelter for their animals.

I just can't see any animal being hunted, tortured mate so it's nothing against you, especially when all they are trying to do is survive.

And again, you are another person ignorant to farming process's.

~Mike~ · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:36

wilber said:
And again, you are another person ignorant to farming process's.

This.

Evoss · 26 Nov 2012 at 11:38

Yes you all have the right to your opinion, but unless you know the reasons behind it and unless you are 100% of how a farm operates, especially a free range farm, you cant outright say it is wrong.