Di Matteo sacked

Creature said:
Ranieri, Mourinho, Grant, Scolari, Di Matteo, AVB, Hiddink and Ancelotti. Quite a high calibre of manager there as well.
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The whole manager thing is totally over exaggerated; since 2004 managers have been coming and going at loads of major clubs:

Real Madrid: 9 Managers
Inter Milan: 8 Managers
Bayern Munich: 7 Managers
Juventus: 8 Managers
Porto: 7 Managers

etc etc.

Chelsea aren't any different than a lot of major clubs; if you go on a bad run and aren't hitting the objectives, you're gonna get fired. In Chelsea's case, a couple of those managers were purely there to finish off the season as well.
 
9 at Real Madrid. Jeez... 3 in 2004 alone, what was going on there... the list of managers isn't even that good for a club of Real Madrid's stature.

I think it has been exaggerated, but it's not very well known in the PL to be doing it this erratically I guess.

I think RA has probably ruined any chance of them getting Pep with this though. Pep wants to build something and be given time, to prove he isn't just a guy who inherited a team with some phenomenal players, which is just took risky with RA in charge.

Personally think it'll be Manchester United or Arsenal he ends up at. I can see Mourinho coming back to the PL to Chelsea in the next 2 years, especially if he wins the CL.
 
I think the number of managers is a bit over hyped as well:

  • Ranieri was very unlucky and I think he deserved a more time after the investment, but new owners are entitled to bring in their own people and there was nothing abnormal about it.
  • Mourinho was great, but things were starting to go wrong and most of his signings were very poor. He shouldn't have issued the owner with ultimatums, where does anybody in any job get away with doing that?
  • Avram Grant was OK, but was always interim.
  • Scolari was very poor.
  • Hiddink was excellent (and imho Chelsea should've made a long term plan to get him in full time after he saw out his other obligations)
  • Ancelotti was OK, but not exceptional.
  • AVB was crap.
  • Di Matteo was the a good fit for the interim job, but considering the performance and results without sentiment he wasn't quite up to it (I think he could be in a few years with more management experience)
It's just blown of proportion because Chelsea ruined football and quite a few of the high profile players are hated.
 
Icm76 said:
Mourinho was great, but things were starting to go wrong and most of his signings were very poor. He shouldn't have issued the owner with ultimatums, where does anybody in any job get away with doing that?
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No one can claim under any circumstances that Mourinho was deserving of the sack, nothing was going wrong the season he was sacked and given this was the man that brought the likes of Drogba, Essien, Cole & Carvalho to the club (among others) I disagree that his signings were (as you put it) very poor as well. RA dropped a ******* sacking Mourinho and Chelsea have been paying for it ever since
 
shipinabottle said:
I think RA has probably ruined any chance of them getting Pep with this though. Pep wants to build something and be given time, to prove he isn't just a guy who inherited a team with some phenomenal players, which is just took risky with RA in charge.

Personally think it'll be Manchester United or Arsenal he ends up at. I can see Mourinho coming back to the PL to Chelsea in the next 2 years, especially if he wins the CL.
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I think its more likely to be Man City than those 2 for Pep, after all they already have half the people he worked with at Barca in positions at the club, they have the cash, the owners appear to be far more likely to give a manger time, and they appear to be reigning in the purse strings with Mancini, who is god awful in europe and it looks a far better fit imo.
 
Tom84 said:
No one can claim under any circumstances that Mourinho was deserving of the sack, nothing was going wrong the season he was sacked and given this was the man that brought the likes of Drogba, Essien, Cole & Carvalho to the club (among others) I disagree that his signings were (as you put it) very poor as well. RA dropped a ******* sacking Mourinho and Chelsea have been paying for it ever since
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From what i remember, i think the straw that broke the camels back was Mourinho not playing Shevchenko and RA, being very close to Shev threw his toys out of the pram.

Mind you thats what i heard and dont know if any of it was true as the media likes to exaggerate certain things.

But for me, Chelsea or should i say RA made a huge **** up sacking Mourinho. Had he stuck with Mourinho then im pretty sure they would have won the CL a couple of times.

Thats the problem with Chelsea, the owner getting involved in the team too much and meddling. You dont see that happening at Utd or City, they just let the manager get on with what they need to do and only sign the cheques to bring in players they need.
 
Yas786 said:
From what i remember, i think the straw that broke the camels back was Mourinho not playing Shevchenko and RA, being very close to Shev threw his toys out of the pram.

Mind you thats what i heard and dont know if any of it was true as the media likes to exaggerate certain things.
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I get the feeling that this is exactly what is happening now with Torres, didn't Di Matteo drop him against Juventus?
 
Now that this has sunk in I'm going to carry on doing what I was doing before, supporting the club and whatever manager is at the helm at the time.

Here's hoping Rafa can bring success this season.
 
smelly_legend said:
RA should appoint himself as manager and be done with it.
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Tbh he probably thinks that seeing as he owns the club, he just doesnt put himself on the training pitch or in the dugout:p

mmj_uk said:
I get the feeling that this is exactly what is happening now with Torres, didn't Di Matteo drop him against Juventus?
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Yep he did but i personally think RA is losing patience with Torres, rumours that were circulating a few weeks ago that Torres might be shipped off to Spain and Chelsea will try and get Falcao in Jan on perhaps a swap deal with AM or something.

Would be hilarious if Falcao comes to Chelsea and is an instant flop a la Torres/Shevchenko:p.
 
Tom84 said:
No one can...
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The season "going wrong" is a harsh way to describe things and is relative to the extreme expectations, but remember that the changes in players broke the balance in the side, Chelsea were behind Utd and unable to dominate as they had before - the side was effectively going backwards without being more attractive, one of RA's key demands. Of course sensible club owners accept that there are transition periods and allow more latitude.

I agree it was poor decision and probably there would be more trophies if Mourinho stayed, I stand by my point - if you row with your employer and say to them "you wouldn't dare sack me" or similar then you can't complain too hard if your bluff is called. RA pushed the situation and is mostly to blame, but JM made sure it ended one way or the other (and to be fair he had every right to be p'd off because of Shevchenko and the interference/demands for exciting football.)

As for the signings: Carvalho was excellent, Essien was good and might've been better but for the injury problems, but Drogba & Ballack weren't great under JM (I remember several years of people mocking the £24M fee for Drogba) and signing Cole took no special insight. Others like Kezman, SWP, Del Horno and Tiago et al were rather less than impressive. The players contributing most to that era were signed or brought through under Ranieri.
 
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There is no way Rafa was lined up in the space of RDM being sacked and everything signed agreed and done ready for the confirmation on the site within that time frame, RDM was gone before Juve. RA probably didn't want him in the first place and rightly so.
 
As a Chelsea fan myself (who was at the game yesterday), the reception towards Rafa must've been awful for him. The 16th minute applause for Di Matteo was a nice touch though.
 
I agree with Mr Baker on this point.

Danny Baker @prodnose said:
Chelsea fans. You HAVE no voice. That is the price you paid to be what you are now. You are season tickets. Program sales. Product. Face it.
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The price of Chelsea's success is that they have an owner who does not care about the fans.
 
Tummy said:
I agree with Mr Baker on this point.



The price of Chelsea's success is that they have an owner who does not care about the fans.
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That hurts a LOT, curse you Danny Baker you lucky Millwall fan you!!
I wish we were more like those Man.U. fans who spazzed out and started their own club when no-one listened to their cries about the ownership and are now playing at Gigg Lane, that's utopia for sure!
 
Originally Posted by Danny Baker @prodnose
Chelsea fans. You HAVE no voice. That is the price you paid to be what you are now. You are season tickets. Program sales. Product. Face it.
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I'm afraid they're not even that. They've absolutely no voice, no weight of opinion, nothing. They're totally insignificant other than their cash being an afterthought in the toothless riddle of FFP.

Keep waving yer plastic flags boys. Boo the manager. Why not boycott the match and see if anyone gives a ****? :D
 
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