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I've eaten 3 Dunkin Donuts today and have smoked 4 fags so far.
Live for today !! Sod tomorrow !!
Live for today !! Sod tomorrow !!
eat donuts for breakfast? pay for your own health care
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Im not interested in the make up, as the people who are going on about this as a good idea aren't.
The kcals, which is what most stupid people concentrate on, are better on a glazed donut than a filled bagel.
I KNOW the content of the donut is worse, i'm not stupid, but people assume that a donut is bad because it will be kcal overload when in fact it isnt
Even the lowest common denominator information system (that traffic light ********) doesn't get people understanding that 300 calories from lard is far worse for you than 300 calories from protein.
I didn't get schooled in this country, do they not cover the whole food make-up thing with kids? Empty calories, bad calories, food pyramid, etc?
People just need to eat less fat, not less overall per say. Oh and exercise... My beef with the modern world is bank tube stop. When you change from dlr to central line there are two staircases with elevators and hardly anyone uses the stairs in between!
Not really, my carb::insulin ratio changes based on the time of day, I suspect in other people it is the same. External factors do play a big role, currently I am on a low fat diet, where basically I just look at what I eat and for last few weeks have changed my eating habits to lower fat content stuff. Doesn't mean I cut it out completely, but I noticed I need far less insulin now for the same amount of carbs.
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Being fat doesn't kill people, heart attacks do.
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But what about the time aspect?
How long for the same amount in porridge vs same in white sugar?
Whilst I can see where the guy is coming from I disagree with it on the grounds of where do you draw the line. As mentioned already in this thread, if we were to charge people for any injury/illness that they get from a 'lifestyle activity' then there isn't going to be much that the NHS will pay for.
Plus, whilst many things can increase your chance of getting a disease (smoking for lung cancer, for example) I think it would be difficult to prove that that was the sole cause and therefore bill you accordingly.
Plus, whilst many things can increase your chance of getting a disease (smoking for lung cancer, for example) I think it would be difficult to prove that that was the sole cause and therefore bill you accordingly.
One day (hopefully soon) it will be realized by the wider population (no pun intended) that Obesity is a form of addiction, Agreed smoking/drugs and alcoholism are very much chemical addictions but so is over eating or eating more "nice" foods as if you ask any Obese person eating this food makes them feel good, you could argue this is a form of chemical addiction due to the endorphins realeased (Just like people addicted to excersise). Ask any Obese person and they will tell you whilst they are eating the food they feel good and after they always feel guilty, is this not an addiction? Do you think Obese people are happy with being Obese?
Raising the Tax on nice foods will prove this as with smoking you still pay the extortionate amount of money.
I am classed as morbidly obese, Im 34 and have spent most of my adult life dieting and breaking the diet, When i diet my personality changes (much like someone who gives up smoking), I am aware that this could only be temporary but do not have the willpower to push through it, I expect i will be spending all of my life Yoyo dieting, Luckily i have had no health issue's with it as have yearly tests, My recent test last month said i had very good level of colosterol and blood sugars, i do not kid myself that i am dodging those bullets year in and year out and really do want to do something about it but.
If you cant give up smoking why do you expect an obese person to be able to give up their addiction, a little bit hypocritical dont you think?
What i do not agree with is these Obese people who push there Obeseity onto their children, I have 2 young boys both of which are a fugure of health and eat seperate healthy meals than me.
I am not a smoker and only occasional drinker but i do have smokers in the family, many people who give up smoking tend to become Obese as you are replacing one part of the addiction for another.
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Marketing rubbish doesn't help the problem, as many so called "health foods" are chemical & sugar filled junk (to enable them to put a big "low fat" label on them) - when in reality just having some fat in food is fine.
On-top of that the diet industry is all about repeat custom, it's hard to sell the truth that dieting takes ages & requires willpower & exercise at the core (with a few minor variations).
On-top of that the diet industry is all about repeat custom, it's hard to sell the truth that dieting takes ages & requires willpower & exercise at the core (with a few minor variations).
Smokers pay more in tax than a fat person pays on extra food? How did you work that one out. Ever though a fat guy could be spending 300 a week on food and a smoker only 10 quid.
What about drinkers. They make the nhs work a lot harder than a couple of fatties.
Why doesn't the op just call on a total ban on human life as anyone can see we're a drain on the world. Who cares about human rights anyway
What about drinkers. They make the nhs work a lot harder than a couple of fatties.
Why doesn't the op just call on a total ban on human life as anyone can see we're a drain on the world. Who cares about human rights anyway
The right to smoke yourself to lung cancer or eat your way to diabetes doesn't come with the right to free treatment for those self-inflicted issues.
That kind of attitude along with the rubbish advice the NHS gives out is what's wrong with this whole issue. Fat doesn't make you fat, it doesn't cause any of the issues they're generally blamed for either, low fat high carb diets are what make you fat and increase your chances of a variety of conditions.
I'm significantly smaller now after 15 months on a high fat diet than I ever was following the NHS advice. Every single blood test I have done has shown massive improvement too, back to normal healthy levels. This is in spite of coming off all medication which I used to rely on to give any sort of control.
The majority of money spent on diabetes care could be saved if they'd just get over the dodgy 50 year old research which got us into this mess, and put people on a similar diet to mine.
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Whats the point of the NHS if it only treats healthy people then???
If I'm not entitled to healthcare because of something self inflicted can I get a yearly rebate on my taxes then?
Didn't think so.
It's this sort of thinking that diminishes the already dwindling idea of self-responsibility even further. People are becoming entitled brats who are never responsible for anything they do, and it's pathetic.
ps. I'm not agreeing with a blanket ban, but I wouldn't have any issue with some sort of diminishing returns for self-inflicted crap.
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Until you need it for whatever accidental self inflicted reason then you would be crying for it to go back to normal after your multi thousand pound bill for something simple.