Woman saves fox from hounds

No that's just a ridiculous comparison

The eating

I feel sorry for people that the only real contact with life is pulling the giblets out of a 2 for a fiver battery chicken and throwing them in the bin then arguing they care for animals

Yes it is about as ridiculous as someone would have to be to get their kicks out of killing animals for sport.

So if your aim is just the eating and that is the part you enjoy then what is wrong with Tescos?

Oh, so the only real contact with life is when you snuff it out. Sorry but I think that is pathetic it takes more of a man to sustain, nurture or help forge a life than something as simple as pulling a trigger. Any muppet can pull a trigger.
 
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Some interesting "facts" I've picked up from reading this thread.

1. Animal rights and welfare are subjective, presumably to whoever is committing the cruel act.
2. It's necessary for foxes to be killed (the evidence seems to point the other way, but screw that).
3. Secretly, we all love brutally murdering innocents.

Live and learn eh?

1: Here we go again.... Read the Burn's inquiry set up by the labour government who brought in the ban. The report deemed it not cruel.

2: What is the evidence to suggest that it is not necessary to control this predator?

3: You don't half spout some crap.
 
At first maccapacca i kinda respected your view point but then the more you talk the more its just fun for you and your pals, which is even worse than hunting a wild animal or bird in my opinion really.

Whatever though. Im a townie i dont understand the joy of killing animals for fun i used to just throw stones at cats and pigeons when i grew up.

Im glad i dont, im sure you are glad you do. So.... im sure we will agree to disagree on the matter :p
 
At least if you hunt you know where your food is coming from. Which is more than I can say for urban dwellers. I'm sure Tesco aren't all that great either when it comes to moral standards.

I do agree tho, killing anything is a bit sick. I killed a wasp in the past, I'm a bad boy.
 
1: Here we go again.... Read the Burn's inquiry set up by the labour government who brought in the ban. The report deemed it not cruel.

I didn't dispute that; I disputed that as a whole, animal rights are subjective and therefore, policies which affect animal rights can be localised, unlike policies which affect human rights. I disagree.

Whether it's more traumatic for the fox or not, turning an arguably necessary evil into a bloodsport with all the bells and whistles is disgusting.

2: What is the evidence to suggest that it is not necessary to control this predator?

Read the thread.

3: You don't half spout some crap.

Again, read the thread. I was sarcastically agreeing with "facts" that have been put forward by others which, quite clearly, are not facts at all. Maybe you should read properly before ironically accusing others of spouting crap.
 
I'd rather eat a shot animal than a tesco animal any day of the week.

If shooting is done right its a lot better way to go

Likewise I'd rather eat one of our chickens knowing how its been killed (usually by neck break) than a factory chicken. Although I wouldn't enjoy killing it at all
 
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The shooting, the skill, the animal husbandry, the outdoors, the boozing, the company, the firearms, the eating, the business etc

None of those things require killing, apart from the business I suppose but that's more of a result of it. If it's about the shooting or skill, why not use clay pigeons or target ranges? The outdoors are nicer when the animals are alive. I think most people enjoy a bit of boozing and good company, etc etc. None of that explains why you enjoy the actual act of killing.
 
1: Here we go again.... Read the Burn's inquiry set up by the labour government who brought in the ban. The report deemed it not cruel.

2: What is the evidence to suggest that it is not necessary to control this predator?

3: You don't half spout some crap.
If you're going to argue in favour of removing the ban, you don't get to talk about your second point. Controlling the fox population has absolutely nothing to do with hunting with hounds, as anybody that had a fox problem and sought to fix it via such a method would be intellectually defective. Perhaps that's what we have a case of here.
 
There should be an urban fox neutering scheme in my opinion as they really can be a pain. Lots of noise at night, raiding bins etc. It makes sense to keep their numbers down but not through barbaric acts.
 
There should be an urban fox neutering scheme in my opinion as they really can be a pain. Lots of noise at night, raiding bins etc. It makes sense to keep their numbers down but not through barbaric acts.

Is the sole reason to keep the numbers down just to stop noise and mess?

Would a simple solution be to not put you food in a plastic wrapper they would want to tear open, make a mess and make noise whilst you sleep? could you keep waste food inside like some sort of compost heap in a plastic bin?

Edit - on 2nd thoughts - RATS!
 
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Is the sole reason to keep the numbers down just to stop noise and mess?

Would a simple solution be to not put you food in a plastic wrapper they would want to tear open, make a mess and make noise whilst you sleep? could you keep waste food inside like some sort of compost heap in a plastic bin?

Edit - on 2nd thoughts - RATS!

I keep my waste in order, unfortunately not everyone else does. When the Vixens are in heat there tends to be a LOT of noise. :eek:
 
Yeah but I'm yet to see a fox dressed up in camp attire with a bugle wedged up its arse on horseback. ;)

They kill for food nothing more.

Just because foxes cannot dress up for their hunting doesn't make them any better, they still kill for sport and the thrill/pleasure/enjoyment of it.
 
I don't believe we have a "true nature".

From an evolutionary perspective we don't have any innate desire to be good or bad, just act in such a way that increases our chances of reproduction & survival.

People often make the mistake of assuming characteristics that people currently posses are innate traits of people - when in reality these traits may only exists because we live in a society which rewards & propagates them.
OK, look at countries like Rawanda where society has collapsed, nobody stood back and suggested they reform government, they went straight back to killing each other to survive.

Since that is repeatable behaviour throughout history then I'd say it was close to our true nature (Monkeys kill for pleasure too). If we look at reward behaviour then killing anything for food will propagate such actions, typically any action that results in survival will be rewarded by pleasure - sex, meat, warmth, running, companionship. If we were innately squeamish about killing furry things we would have all died out millions of years ago.
Not personally killing animals for food is behaviour we have only adopted in the last hundred years, likewise killing for sport has only been unacceptable for twenty.
 
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Just because foxes cannot dress up for their hunting doesn't make them any better, they still kill for sport and the thrill/pleasure/enjoyment of it.

They will wipe out an entire chicken run for the fun of it. That's not a pretty sight. I've seen a few family pet rabbits fall prey to them as well. They may be "cute" but they can definitely be a real nuisance.
 
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