Do you undertake middle lane morons!

I'm not disputing it's not undertaking, as you pointed out, of course it's undertaking. What I was trying to explain is, if you stick to your lane and just make progress (not an aggressive undertake) then it isn't frowned upon.

I'd disagree with that. It makes no difference.
 
If I was a middle lane hogger and someone undertook me then I wouldn't go beserk on the lights/horn.

If I was in the right hand lane on a busy road and some twonk undertook then it's different.

In my eyes anyways.

EDIT: For the record I don't hog the middle lane so would never be put in that situation but many times have I been in the left lane with someone hogging the middle and I've just carried on in the left.
 
If on a clear motorway- pull across to outside lane, overtake, pull in then back off so they overtake you, then repeat. See how many laps you can do before they pull over. :)
 
I'm not disputing it's not undertaking, as you pointed out, of course it's undertaking. What I was trying to explain is, if you stick to your lane and just make progress (not an aggressive undertake) then it isn't frowned upon.

Not by you maybe but it's deemed just as incorrect by the highway code.

You shouldn't pass on the left except in congestion, where different lanes may end up moving at different speeds for a bit.

part of rule 163 said:
only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so

stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left

rule 263 said:
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

So just staying in your lane and 'making progress' is no better than any other sort of passing on the left as far the highway code cares.
 
I have sat behind them flashing my lights on an empty motorway before, another time I undertook them and beeped, gesturing with my hand to get in the correct lane.

These people are oblivious to everyone around them.
 
The A720 Edinburgh bypass albeit it's not got 3 lanes seems to be point in case of this rather peculiar phenomena whereby almost all drivers who use this road seem to think that it is unique in the UK and that the lanes are switched around. At all times you should really be sat in the right hand lane and allow faster traffic to pass you in the nearside lane. It's completely bizarre. I see this happening almost always on the Edinburgh bypass each time I travel on it and hardly anywhere every where else apart from the odd twonk here and there.

Crap road is crap.
 
Dumbass... Improper lane discipline slows traffic flow. Irrelevant of anyone exceeding 70mph.

I've seen many middle lane hogs being undertaken by lorries FFS, they're going dangerously slow.

Dumbass ? Is that a term of abuse ? Whether it is or it isn`t, you`ve not actually rebutted any of my arguements, which isn`t surprising because they`re all objective, rational and correct, as per the bible of road use, the highway code.
 
Most bizarre post here? Why do you need to limit lane changing?

You either lane change when it is right and proper to do so, or you don't. There is no "cap" or "collar" on the number of times you should and shouldn't lane change, you just do it when it is right. Weaving in and out of lanes to try and make progress is a no-no and sitting in a lane out of laziness is also a no-no. There is no excessive lane changing unless you are doing it dangerously.

It`s not bizarre at all. I`m sorry but it`s indisputable that every time you change lanes on a road on which people are doing different speeds, there`s a small risk, it`s very small risk, but it`s there, surely that`s obvious.
I hate to see people changing lanes every 10 seconds just to gain 10 yards in the course of an entire morning`s commute, it`s annoying and it`s poor driving. Just the other day in half a mile some git in an Audi It would be, a German car see) changed lanes 4 times and cut up at least one car for no reason at all other than to try and gain about 4 yards, which, incidentally, he failed to do because I stuck in the same lane all the way and pulled up alongside him at the 3rd set of lights. What a pillock.
 
Not by you maybe but it's deemed just as incorrect by the highway code.

Yes


However...


Both Police and (to a lesser extent) Magistrates take the view that staying in the left-most lane and passing a vehicle which is going slower than you in the next lane over is not automatically undertaking. Whereas deliberately changing lanes to the left to pass on the left most certainly is. People have got off without charge, or after being charged, if they merely stayed in lane. Much will depend on the exact circumstances.

Also, I have a question: assuming that you are in the middle lane, deciding whether to move back to the left. You are going faster than the left-lane traffic. How much gap in the left-lane traffic do you consider enough for you to move over, rather than stay where you are in order to pass the next vehicle? My old driving instructor suggested a ball-park figure of ten seconds: if you would be in the left lane for at least ten seconds, move over. What figures to others use?
 
Also, I have a question: assuming that you are in the middle lane, deciding whether to move back to the left. You are going faster than the left-lane traffic. How much gap in the left-lane traffic do you consider enough for you to move over, rather than stay where you are in order to pass the next vehicle? My old driving instructor suggested a ball-park figure of ten seconds: if you would be in the left lane for at least ten seconds, move over. What figures to others use?

Depends if there is traffic behind. If there is someone behind who is travelling faster then I'd move over with a reasonable gap. If there's no traffic or if it is far enough off that it will not need to overtake me before I reach the next slower moving vehicle in the left lane, there's no point in performing two extra manoeuvres.

If there's one thing that annoys me more than middle lane hogs, it's the ******** who weave in and out of every little gap in traffic due to super conformism or some sort of passive aggressive lesson-teaching exercise.
 
The best ones are those who move out of the way after a simple flash of the lights, but then once you pass them pull straight back out into the middle lane again!

I used to live with a girl at uni who always drove in the middle lane on motorways and in the outside lane of dual carrigeways because she thought it was safer :confused:

Multi lane carriageway training should be a mandatory part of learning to drive and the test. Most people on the road have never had any practical teaching of how to drive on motorways.
 
Depends if there is traffic behind. If there is someone behind who is travelling faster then I'd move over with a reasonable gap. If there's no traffic or if it is far enough off that it will not need to overtake me before I reach the next slower moving vehicle in the left lane, there's no point in performing two extra manoeuvres.

This is not what the Highway Code tells you to do.

How hard is "keep left"? It's two words but no one seems to bother with it. It's not keep left so long as you're not incovienenced in some way then it's ok to stay in the middle. Or keep left unless the right lane is free. Or keep left unless its raining and the lories are a bit scary.
 
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This is not what the Highway Code tells you to do.

How hard is "keep left"? It's two words but no one seems to bother with it. It's not keep left so long as you're not incovienenced in some way then it's ok to stay in the middle. Or keep left unless the right lane is free. Or keep left unless its raining and the lories are a bit scary.

I don't care what the highway code says. I use my own discretion. Moving left for 10 seconds only to move out to the right again when there is no reason for doing so other than saying in a John Major voice "Well the Highway Code states in section...", is silly IMO.
 
i usually get right on there tail put full beam on honk a few times then overtake on the nearside, while flipping the bird.

lol

Nice,

.. but, I used to work with a guy who rammed into the side of a car on a dual carriageway after the driver had flipped the bird, .. food for thought?!
 
It's more a case of I can't be bothered to put myself out to accommodate morons.
If I'm in the left lane I'll stay in the left lane and they can do what the hell they like.
So yes, I'll undertake.
 
I have sat behind them flashing my lights on an empty motorway before, another time I undertook them and beeped, gesturing with my hand to get in the correct lane.

These people are oblivious to everyone around them.

I wonder how some people managed to get a driving license. In the space of 3 days this week I saw 2 drivers move into the path of fully lit up emergency vehicles visible 50+ meters away and then do the "oh ****" and slam on the brakes (worst possible response) when the emergency vehicle lays on the horn and they finally realise its there.
 
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