The "This ebayer just stinks of scam..." thread.

Turambar said:
Anyone entering that auction using ebay mobile would see an auction for a mint condition boxed unlocked iphone 4s. They would have to navigate to another page to read the description that said box only.
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Mobile or no mobile, I would jolly well be reading a description before I parted with £275. It's not the seller's fault that a buyer didn't read the damn auction page :p A fool and his money are soon parted.
 
I'm going to disagree with a lot of people here. As a seller I'd know 100% that someone wouldn't pay £275 for an empty box so it's obvious that the person you are sending the box to is expecting a phone inside. A simple clarification at the end of the auction would have avoided hassle/negative feedback for all involved.

Both buyer and seller are dumb in this case. Judging on previous cases I've had I would expect any reasonable person doing the arbitration at eBay to refund the buyer, especially with the full description mentioning the phone specs. So just a waste of time and money for all involved, just because someone thought they could get one over on someone obviously expecting a phone.

This part alone will mean an automatic refund based on a similar case "New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details.". It's not brand new and it's not unopened.

The people doing the arbitration hate conflicting/confusing info.
 
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Em3bbs said:
I'm going to disagree with a lot of people here. As a seller I'd know 100% that someone wouldn't pay £275 for an empty box so it's obvious that the person you are sending the box to is expecting a phone inside. A simple clarification at the end of the auction would have avoided hassle/negative feedback for all involved.

Both buyer and seller are dumb in this case. Judging on previous cases I've had I would expect any reasonable person doing the arbitration at eBay to refund the buyer. So just a waste of time and money for all involved, just because someone thought they could get one over on someone obviously expecting a phone.
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That i agree with. It was the buyers initial mistake, but the seller must have known once payment had been sent for £275, a misunderstanding must have taken place. He should have refunded the money then and explained via message.

So in that context the seller deserves neg, as you can only leave negative once payment has been proccessed.

But for all we know the seller did refund the money and sent a message to the buyer, yet still recieved a neg. Cant be sure either way.
 
If the item is as described which is the title, subtitle and description together (not just one) then the buyer has no leg to stand on. Touching base with the buyer is always a good thing to do.
 
delta0 said:
If the item is as described which is the title, subtitle and description together then the buyer has no leg to stand on. Touching base with the buyer is always a good thing to do.
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Which in this case it wasn't. It's not a brand new unopened box. I got a refund on a tablet before where they said it was brand new and unopened. When I got it the box was in a right state although the product inside was indeed untouched but I didn't want it as it was then not worth what I had paid with the state of the box (I didn't plan to keep it long so wanted a mint box as described). eBay ruled in my favour and even paid for my return postage.
 
It says it in the description and the title, that is extremely clear. The buyer has no case. Clearly ebay agrees.
 
With the Iphone box imo both buyer and seller aren't the brightest.

Should have said box only in title
Seller should have definitely read the description
Both should have confirmed the item at auction end.

It's a bad listing with a greedy buyer who probably couldn't believe his luck he had won an iphone for that price
 
Em3bbs said:
Which in this case it wasn't. It's not a brand new unopened box. I got a refund on a tablet before where they said it was brand new and unopened. When I got it the box was in a right state although the product inside was indeed untouched but I didn't want it as it was then not worth what I had paid with the state of the box (I didn't plan to keep it long so wanted a mint box as described). eBay ruled in my favour and even paid for my return postage.
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I have done the same. An item was described as being un-opened and it had clearly been opened. The description did not match the item and I immediately arranged to send it back and get a refund. In the case of this box it does match the item description.
 
delta0 said:
I have done the same. An item was described as being un-opened and it had clearly been opened. The description did not match the item and I immediately arranged to send it back and get a refund. In the case of this box it does match the item description.
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So it's brand new and unopened then?
 
Unfortunately, the whole "expensive item box" eBay scam (yes, scam because that's exactly what it is) isn't as black and white as some people are making it out to be.

Yes, it certainly mentions that it's for a box but it's certainly not as clear as it could be. These listings are nothing new and this happened exclusively with "XBOX360 boxes" when the console first launched; unfortunately there are eBay buyers who aren't the brightest and even more unfortunately there are eBay sellers who take advantage of them.

Would you side with a rogue trader who sold a service/product to an elderly person for an extortionate markup? The seller knew exactly what they were doing with this listing, this is only proven by the fact only a scammer wouldn't question why their empty box is fetching hundreds of pounds on eBay...
 
Em3bbs said:
The auction finished yesterday, a case would take a couple of weeks to sort out.
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It is not how I operate on ebay, I wouldn't sell the item at that price. However the title says box. The picture shows a box. The description says box only. The buyer has done something wrong. The only way the buyer will get their money back is if the seller decides to refund. The buyer clearly realised he/she made a mistake straight after the listing completed. The key here is the mistake is the buyer's.
 
delta0 said:
It is not how I operate on ebay, I wouldn't sell the item at that price. However the title says box. The picture shows a box. The description says box only. The buyer has done something wrong. The only way the buyer will get their money back is if the seller decides to refund. The buyer clearly realised he/she made a mistake straight after the listing completed. The key here is the mistake is the buyer's.
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The buyer will definitely get a refund regardless of if it was correctly or incorrectly described
 
al4x said:
The buyer will definitely get a refund regardless of if it was correctly or incorrectly described
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Not if it is correctly described. Sales of good act 1979 only allows items that do not match the description to be refunded.
 
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