Brawl erupts on M1 as two are killed

Vita · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:31

The wheels are Kahns.

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:35

Clarkey said:
Hmm, I don't know. There must be a missing piece to this story, drink/drugs or something. I mean, I've driven at high speed and this never happened to me. I'm sure a 5 and 7 series are quite capable of driving safely at high speed.

I completely agree. Speed alone didn't cause this - they must have been doing more than simply getting a move on.

Matt82 · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:36

PMKeates said:
I'm not Pakistani or Bangladeshi, so my BMW has the correct wheels and tyres.

Youre from Romford (iirc?) by default you must have questionable taste. are you sure you dont want blinging 20s? you would only be able to afford and it would only be the right thing to fit remoulds afterwards

Meridian · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:38

Pyscho_Si said:
Surely with modern technology this can be done in minutes?

No, because much of the evidence doesn't show up on large-scale digital imaging. It needs eyes on the ground, looking closely, and thinking about what they are seeing.

Also : if your sister/wife/GF etc died in a crash, how happy would you be if the police spent ten minutes taking photos, then swept the road clear so it could reopen? And if it turned out that something vital had been missed and person responsible got off, would you still feel that way?

PMKeates · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:38

[TW]Fox;23292645 said:
I completely agree. Speed alone didn't cause this - they must have been doing more than simply getting a move on.

To be honest, it was raining quite hard, very wet, and it's 2 something in the morning, so they are potentially quite tired. If they were going very fast and messing around i.e. overtaking, slowing down, overtaking etc. it's feasible one did clip something and fly out of control.

Interestingly, this shows that in night-time death races in the pouring rain in December at 140 MPH, you have a 2/3 chance of survival.

Good odds?

Matt82 said:
Youre from Romford (iirc?) by default you must have questionable taste. are you sure you dont want blinging 20s? you would only be able to afford and it would only be the right thing to fit remoulds afterwards

I'm not from Romford. However, are you? You seem to have the grammar skills typical of the area...

Matt82 · 3 Dec 2012 at 19:39

[TW]Fox;23292645 said:
I completely agree. Speed alone didn't cause this - they must have been doing more than simply getting a move on.

it might not have to be that sinister though. standing water on a bend, a car ahead changing lane unexpectedly is just as likely

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2012 at 20:01

Matt82 said:
it might not have to be that sinister though. standing water on a bend, a car ahead changing lane unexpectedly is just as likely

True, I did find the Autobahn littered with similar scenes of wreckage purely as a result of the legal high speed.

Pyscho_Si · 3 Dec 2012 at 20:05

TheVoice said:
Google Maps isn't being used to investigate someone's death or as evidence in court to potentially convict someone of death by dangerous driving. Of course the police are going to be thorough, if other countries are clearing collision scenes so quickly it suggests to me that they aren't investigating them properly.

Sounds like you've watched a bit too much CSI to be honest, are you expecting them to just scan the entire scene with some sort of device and be able to conduct a thorough and proper investigation using just that?

Actually Network Rail are borrowing Google's Street View technology to record images of all the track when they are using their Measurement Trains in conjunction to other technologies like Ground Penetration Radar. I don't see why a damaged bridge can't be checked using the same Ultra Sound equipment Network Rail use?

I still don't see why it requires 6 hours to collect the information required for a forensic analysis of a road accident in 2012. I think the police need to look at 'what' information they require and change 'how' they collect it.

CSI is awful ... although it is fun to watch if I need a laugh.

Matt82 · 3 Dec 2012 at 20:13

[TW]Fox;23292855 said:
True, I did find the Autobahn littered with similar scenes of wreckage purely as a result of the legal high speed.

that makes no sense at all. if you were aware of an accident on the autobahn, how would you know the speed at which the accident occurred?

i doubt they would drive at those claimed speeds on the autobahn in conditions remotely similar.

if you do a quick google, dynamic speed limits are mentioned a lot, depending on weather conditions

PeterNem · 3 Dec 2012 at 20:21

TW Fox said:
True, I did find the Autobahn littered with similar scenes of wreckage purely as a result of the legal high speed.

Matt82 said:
that makes no sense at all. if you were aware of an accident on the autobahn, how would you know the speed at which the accident occurred?

*whoosh*

muon · 3 Dec 2012 at 20:45

Matt82 said:
that makes no sense at all. if you were aware of an accident on the autobahn, how would you know the speed at which the accident occurred?

i doubt they would drive at those claimed speeds on the autobahn in conditions remotely similar.

if you do a quick google, dynamic speed limits are mentioned a lot, depending on weather conditions

Lol. The German Autobahn has many more deaths every year than UK motorways. The UK has some of the safest roads in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_autobahns#Safety

Our motorway safety is particularly good.

Disco Boy · 3 Dec 2012 at 21:16

Matt82 said:
is the 7 series on chavvy aftermarket wheels??

Kahn alloys by the looks of them.

http://www.kentcustoms.co.uk/acatalog/4x_20_Inch_Kahn_RSX_Alloy_Wheels_With_tyres.php

Lew · 3 Dec 2012 at 21:23

PraxxtorCruel said:
Go here: http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/worl...sion-that-closed-five-motorway-junctions.html

Off topic but "Headline | Liam Ridgewell, West Brom's Defender Wipes His Backside With Pack Of £20 Notes "

What a ****

PMKeates · 3 Dec 2012 at 21:25

Lew said:
Off topic but "Headline | Liam Ridgewell, West Brom's Defender Wipes His Backside With Pack Of £20 Notes "

What a ****

It's quite funny tbf

Matt82 · 3 Dec 2012 at 21:48

PeterNem said:
*whoosh*

i said it didnt make sense, please feel free to dumb it down for me

Clarkey · 3 Dec 2012 at 21:52

Missed the class on sarcasm at school?

Type_R · 3 Dec 2012 at 22:10

Matt82 said:
In case your post was actually tongue in cheek, then yes, i see the funny side.

if you were being serious, though, here is a graphical demonstration of what i meant

I don't know which part of the British education system let you down (most of it probably) but clearly you don't even seem to know the difference between India and Pakistan

muon said:
They were British. Bangladeshi/Pakistani describes their ethnicity.

Matt82 said:
nationality

race

different things.

jog on drama queen

By posting one clip of driver's in India you seem to think you have proven to everyone that Pakistani/Bangladeshi drivers are terrible. The irony is that they were British, so in doing so you have offended every British driver on this thread.

Well done and you would be wise to jog on at this point.

hurfdurf · 3 Dec 2012 at 22:16

Type_R said:
By posting one clip of driver's in India you seem to think you have proven to everyone that Pakistani/Bangladeshi drivers are terrible. The irony is that they were British, so in doing so you have offended every British driver on this thread.

Well done and you would be wise to jog on at this point.

Blatant racism? From an OcUK forum poster?! Well I never!!

Hilly · 3 Dec 2012 at 22:17

All; please keep the discussion on topic and leave out the racial / nationality stereotypes and degrading comments; If the drivers we Caucasian British people, the thread wouldn't have gone down this route. So there's no reason why the fact that these people were Asian should effect this.

As Fox and Clarkey, in my opinion, rightly say, speed alone wouldn't cause this. Speed doesn't = death. Will be interesting to hear the official verdict of events from the police as to what happened, whether these cars were going in a straight line at speed, or were weaving around lanes in poor conditions.

Thankfully, no innocents road users were injured, which is the main thing.

Begbie · 3 Dec 2012 at 22:35

Clarkey said:
Hmm, I don't know. There must be a missing piece to this story, drink/drugs or something. I mean, I've driven at high speed and this never happened to me. I'm sure a 5 and 7 series are quite capable of driving safely at high speed.

Depends on how well they were looked after though.

Wouldn't place any bets on them having decent tyres, even matching or serviceable suspension etc.

That and standing water on our trusty motorways.