History of Scotland

Earlier on isn't Wales and Scotland pretty much were the indigenous (or as indigenous as you can get) population of the Britain were beaten back to by the Romans? Then when Rome fell England was made up of more Roman/European blood hence us being more cultured and better looking?
 
majnu said:
Watched half of the first BBC video; seems pretty good so far. I didn't expect it to go far back as 80 AD.

Is it true that the Vikings settled in Scotland before that era, or did that come afterwards?

Were the Scottish people living there natives or settlers from other Countries? It mentioned that they would have spoken some kind of hybrid Welsh, how did they know that?

Anyway I'll watch the rest in case the answer is in the videos.
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I wrote half a page and lost it unfortunately! Long and short of it is written accounts of this period are significantly lacking.

Viking millitaristic settlement didn't take place until 9th century really. The Northern Isles were the first to be first to be conquered and the last to be repatriated on a pincer like movement over the centuries around the coast to the West of Scotland. Attacks on predominantly Pictish cultures were in the North and West had been ongoing for hundreds of years prior to this. Orkney was first reported to have been destroyed in the 7th, but Scandanavians had been colonising for years so it depends how you look at it really.

There are good wikipedia articles on Viking Expansion, Norsemen, Viking Scotland, Viking Britain and Scandanavian Scotland. There was also other types of contact other than fighting! Scotland was then still a collection of tribal kingdoms, a cultural melting pot and the use of the word Scot Scotland and Scottish is a mysnomer other than a geograhical identifier in this period until the House of Alpin, but even after that it can cause confusion with understanding the varied societies.
 
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godinman said:
Earlier on isn't Wales and Scotland pretty much were the indigenous (or as indigenous as you can get) population of the Britain were beaten back to by the Romans? Then when Rome fell England was made up of more Roman/European blood hence us being more cultured and better looking?
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Cultured is one way of looking at it, what did the Romans ever do for us after all. However, one thing is for sure once the Romans left those in the south after years of subsistence living and servitude could do very little about the hoards of warriors spilling over the walls from the North as the Romans left. That tidal swing in power was about to set the future kingdoms of Scotland & England on a seemingly endless rampage of war.
 
Biohazard said:
Calling Scots by a derogatory term, but not the English, would be slanted. I'm sorry I didn't get your joke, Jock.
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No problem,Tube. ;)
The reason I didn't call the English any names is because I'm not one of them and therefore,in this context,it would've been inappropriate to do so.

Calling myself a name is fine for a laugh. I can take all the the prejudice or negative national characteristics people want to label Scots with as funny cause I see many of them in me and that makes me laugh,cause many of them are true.Others of course aren't.No harm done.

Maybe that'll settle this once and for all. :)
 
Biohazard said:
Cultured is one way of looking at it, what did the Romans ever do for us after all. However, one thing is for sure once the Romans left those in the south after years of subsistence living and servitude could do very little about the hoards of warriors spilling over the walls from the North as the Romans left. That tidal swing in power was about to set the future kingdoms of Scotland & England on a seemingly endless rampage of war.
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The culture part was a bit of a joke but I was wondering what happened in the interim. I guess the waves of hairy ginger warriors didn't fully infiltrate the English parts as there are still diffferences between the Welsh/Scottish parts and the English bits.

I don't know much about the history, but I have wondered how the UK came to be. I must read into it more.
 
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Will21st said:
No problem,Tube. ;)
The reason I didn't call the English any names is because I'm not one of them and therefore,in this context,it would've been inappropriate to do so.

Calling myself a name is fine for a laugh. I can take all the the prejudice or negative national characteristics people want to label Scots with as funny cause I see many of them in me and that makes me laugh,cause many of them are true.Others of course aren't.No harm done.

Maybe that'll settle this once and for all. :)
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Aye nae bother numpty. I'm just so so glad you have the closure you seek now. Perhaps you may now want to discuss some history?
 
godinman said:
The culture part was a bit of a joke but I was wondering what happened in the interim. I guess the waves of hairy ginger warriors didn't fully infiltrate the English parts as there are still diffferences between the Welsh/Scottish parts and the English bits.

I don't know much about the history, but I have wondered how the UK came to be. I must read into it more.
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While towards the North the Britons were attacked by Picts the South was a continuation of immigration and settlement by Germanic Anglo-Saxons that had started in Roman times. You're now into English pre-history like that with Scotland, but again documentary evidence is lacking a bit. The Anglo-Saxons ruled after around the year 500AD but were squashed in 1066 by the Norman invasion.

This is where arguably the Kingdom of England technically started, after Scotland. The rest they say is history.
 
Biohazard said:
Aye nae bother numpty. I'm just so so glad you have the closure you seek now. Perhaps you may now want to discuss some history?
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Ah,reverting to personal attack,well done.:D

Wipe that chip off your shoulder and have a good weekend. Funny how some people were anticipating exactly this kind of behaviour from you.:D
 
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