A friend of mine is in trouble :(
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I am not saying it would take seconds, but certainly not that long. They already had enough evidence to obtain his electrical devices but not the log in details?
I bloody hope they would! Surely the very basics of a case like this would be to compare the evidence to the person?
Assuming things are as the OP has posted (which does seem like there must be more to it) what can the OP's friend do about his stolen 360/PS3/mobile phone, and what comeback does he have against the police for putting him through this once he's been proven innocent?
They were not stolen?
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Tampering with the evidence in anyway will lose all authenticity and integrity surrounding the guy who has done this. Therefore as a counter argument it could even be portrayed as you doing whatever has been done in court. Best stay well clear of accessing the account or trying to regain access.
Surely this has been taken forward into part of the computer forensic teams within the Police? The police have a large tool set that can grab many a detail off Facebook. Hopefully they will see sense and aim for an IP, or a status posted from a Location.
Surely this has been taken forward into part of the computer forensic teams within the Police? The police have a large tool set that can grab many a detail off Facebook. Hopefully they will see sense and aim for an IP, or a status posted from a Location.
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This is what I'm hoping will happen for him!
Why do people keep thinking theres more to the story lol, Other than him getting his phone stolen, Identity taken over and then abused.
I dont know what blank bits are missing
I dont think there is physical evidence of indecent exposure, more complaints and reports. No pictures of wangs, etc.
It may be an idea for my friend to point out this latest message that happened a week ago, as basically what happened is this woman got a nasty message via the old account, And she contacted Elmo on his new account telling him about it, as she knows he's not like that.
I mean the new message should surely help prove his innocence. Hopefully anyways.
As for the police contacting facebook, etc. I hope something along these lines are being done, but with the lack of updates my friend is getting(Via the officer in charge or his solicitor) It just seems theres nothing being done, and he's basically just waiting till 21st and getting in trouble. Because evidence wise, there's messages sent from his account, with his face all over it. Thats damning evidence if they dont investigate properly.
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Wait!! What now??? It's illegal to get your wang out on the internet. Holy ****
Lets be honest, there is only one form of nakedness on the internet that the police will seize you stuff, and that's kiddy porn.
Either that or this thread is a load of BS.
Lets be honest, there is only one form of nakedness on the internet that the police will seize you stuff, and that's kiddy porn.
Either that or this thread is a load of BS.
Why didn't he contact Facebook/Hotmail straight after his addresses were hacked to get them back? and if he did does he still have the emails stored? I don't see how they can do him for indecent exposure without images of him with his wang out.
If there is no physical evidence of indecent exposure, why was he arrested in the first place? They are unlikely to arrest him, and cease his stuff based on an unfounded complaint.
Facebook messages are not damning evidence, at all. I have lost count of the number of times me and my brother have posted "I'm gay" on each others accounts. Any jury would know this.
No updates from his solicitor? That is pretty much his job. He didn't get Lionel Hutz did he?
Sorry but I am still calling shenanigans.
Facebook messages are not damning evidence, at all. I have lost count of the number of times me and my brother have posted "I'm gay" on each others accounts. Any jury would know this.
No updates from his solicitor? That is pretty much his job. He didn't get Lionel Hutz did he?
Sorry but I am still calling shenanigans.
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It is that serious, Other than harassing his existing friends, he's been adding random friends of friends. One of the messages he got to his new account was from a ****ed off parent, asking why the older account had added someones daughter. So yeah, It's that kinda serious
also, NOT SHENANIGANS. lol.
I wish it was!
My friend most definitely got taken away to to the police station, and most definitely had his stuff seized. But he is also most defnitely innocent, he's going on about suing due to things being done unlawfully and without proof.
And yes, His solicitor isnt coming back with much helpful information. Up until a week ago he was getting his stuff back, latest news found out a few days ago is it could be 6 months before he gets his stuff back. =\
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+1. They will firstly check all his electronic devices to see if there is any evidence to the allegations made against him. They will find nothing, unless he has taken indecent images of himself at whatever period and if this is true, this will be mentioned in court. They will look at his web-browsing history, new facebook chat messages etc... The account which this has been done from, they will then I.P track that hopefully, and catch the real culprit.
Taking electronic media devices, they will take, anything with storage. HDD/Discs/USB's, they just want to build a bigger picture, understand how the person is in question. This means trawling through hours and hours of information, some of it worthless. You'd be amazed how clever people are these days with technology. They try eliminate others out of the picture, and sometimes they don't as there could be a whole network of people doing this sort of thing. So if they catch one and that person is part of a network, they will want to catch the others too.
Exposing yourself on the internet to underage people is just as bad as doing it in public. It's just the fact the Police take it more seriously as there are predators out there and they must prevent/not ignore/take precautions against this.
It's sad that this has happened, but it may become a lengthy procedure. IF he hasn't done anything wrong and is innocent, then he shouldn't be worried.
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Definition of theft:
"A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it"
Regardless of whether it's the police who have taken it or not, unless he gets the items back exactly as they were taken, I'd class that as theft.
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My God do the Police in this day and age not understand how computers and hacked accounts work?
There is nothing dishonest about the police taking electronic devices from someone suspected of exposing himself to kids online.
Am i the only one who really wouldn't give a toss if i didn't see my consoles and phone again as long as i didn't get sent down for something i didn't do?
he will get them back, but it will take a long while. doubt they will just hand them back when proven innocent. if they've been sent to a forensics lab the police will need to wait for the forensic lab to release the items and send them back to them, then back to individual?
he will get them back, but it will take a long while. doubt they will just hand them back when proven innocent. if they've been sent to a forensics lab the police will need to wait for the forensic lab to release the items and send them back to them, then back to individual?
There is nothing dishonest about the police taking electronic devices from someone suspected of exposing himself to kids online.
So if a copper turned up at your door out of the blue one day and told you they thought you'd been up to no good and they were taking your stuff, you'd be fine with it? Because personally I'd be ****ing furious.
Of course I'd be concerned about being found guilty of whatever the accusation was, but I'd be confident that ultimately the evidence would prove that I was innocent (at which point the police would be getting a bill for my wasted time).
I'd still be extremely p'ed off about some <expletive> on government handouts taking my property that I worked hard for.
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It is that serious, Other than harassing his existing friends, he's been adding random friends of friends. One of the messages he got to his new account was from a ****ed off parent, asking why the older account had added someones daughter. So yeah, It's that kinda serious
also, NOT SHENANIGANS. lol.
I wish it was!
My friend most definitely got taken away to to the police station, and most definitely had his stuff seized. But he is also most defnitely innocent, he's going on about suing due to things being done unlawfully and without proof.
And yes, His solicitor isnt coming back with much helpful information. Up until a week ago he was getting his stuff back, latest news found out a few days ago is it could be 6 months before he gets his stuff back. =\
Then I genuinely feel very sorry for the lad if he's innocent.
I cannot think of anything I would like to be falsely accused of more than that and murder of course.
Not a lot anyone who isn't a lawyer can do to help though mate.
I can imagine most people would. I don't know the law well enough, but I did think it was impossible to do that without due cause, which surely means a warrant, and those aren't easy to get without evidence? No!!?? (which is why I'd imagine some people are a bit suspicious of his innocence based on the current facts)
If they went in and nicked your stuff based on suspicion, unless there are some funky new laws after all this terrorism bs, I'd say you'd be well within your rights for a big fat apology or the option to sue.
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I am sure they do yes.
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Would it be any different if he gave up a lot voluntarily? for instance, he said to me he let them into his house, The police refused to give a reason why initially. Took him into the kitchen away from his mother and then explained the situation.
Its quite possible he gave up his stuff voluntarily? Would that get around them needing a warrant, etc. (I've never actually asked him about this)