I agree however why would people of certain faith be aghast that a few homosexual people want to get married in a church ? Its not like we as a nation follow religious rules , most people who get married in a church do not care about the religious factor..most people get married in a church because in wedlock that where one gets married...
Gay Marriage to be Illegal in the Church of England
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I agree however why would people of certain faith be aghast that a few homosexual people want to get married in a church ? Its not like we as a nation follow religious rules , most people who get married in a church do not care about the religious factor..most people get married in a church because in wedlock that where one gets married...
Lots of churches require you to be religious, goto meetings etc. people fake that. But no most people don't just go get married in certain churches without a fair bit of hassle.
Isn't that going to upset them even further? You would essentially be debasing them in certain senses.
I agree persuasively ..however the simple matter of fact is most people who do get married in a church do not care about the religious aspect ..
Cane and Abel.
Weren't they brothers?
They were married too as far as I recall but not to each other. hmm i tend to disagree .. the majority of people in this day and age use religion as a status , not as a formality .
So the church HAVE to marry them or it's discrimination? Are you implying that the church should be bullied into changing their postion just because everyone is suddenly drunk on 'human rights'?
And you're 'furious'? Really? As in seething with anger. Shaking and the like?
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Was going to say the same, to get married in a church has a certain nostalgia (not sure if right word) rather than having any religious implacations. It's something one dreams of, having a big church wedding, beautiful building, atmosphere, bells ringing etc So i can understand why gays want to get married in churches.
That’s pretty much the opposite say with other religions, where religious buildings are not seen as must have venues in comparison to a big old church. For example mosque weddings are rare, I don’t think I have ever seen one. Seems like a problem exclusively to Christianity or more so to Christianity.
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It entirely depends on the church. Some churches don't allow people to get married in a church unless they are religious and have been to a few sermons, so some people pretend to be religious and go to a few sermons just so that they can get married there, once it's done they never go back.
Seems like a waste of everyone's time to me.
Explain?
No, why would a Christian want to get married in a house of their god? Pretty much every Christian that ever lived has sinned regulary, without remorse, but only gay ones cant get married in church?
Not all Abrahamic religions are against homosexuality. Depends entirely on the denominations interpretation. If there wernt many gay Christians, this would not be an issue at all would it? But it is.
The bible doesn't exactly condemn it either. It is mentioned, along with many other weird and wonderful sins. Shelfish, mixing fibers, "unclean" women. Bible says to stone for this kind of stuff.
Yet the CofE is quite happy to munch a prawn butty in my polycotten suit before marrying my partner whilst she is on her period. Not once will anyone lob a rock at me.
So yea, quite happy to believe a gay man or woman can happily be Christian. Even though I am neither gay nor christian
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On a similar issue, was wondering what peoples thoughts were on this. This guy got a grilling for saying "most parents do not want gay children". Maybe im in the minority, but i cant see the problem here?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/10/conservative-mp-parents-gay-children
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/10/conservative-mp-parents-gay-children
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Castiel, I agree with you, and I did jump the gun slightly, but I am still shocked.
With regards to the specific rules of each religion, the issue is, in England, that the majority of places where one could get married are either a C of E, or Catholic church (please correct me if I'm wrong) and therefore they can continue to control the definition of marriage. Personally, I detest the idea that religious groups can own marriage. It's like saying that Romans own war.
I suppose technically he is right. I doubt many parents sit thinking "Oooh I hope he is gonna grow up to be big and gay!". But then nor do they sit thinking "better not be a bender".
I suppose its no different to wanting a boy or a girl. Most parents have a preference, very few are actually disappointed when they get then opposite though.
The majority of people get married in civil establishments, either the registry office or other non-religious venue. Of the various religions only the CofE can conduct legally binding weddings anyway, all other religious institutions the person conducting the wedding has to be licensed by the local superintendent registrar or a registrar has to be present or a civil ceremony also has to take place.
Religion doesn't own marriage, as we can see with the proposals currently under debate, the State owns marriage.
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It's a little different from having a boy or a girl surely? Well i know it is to me anyway
Also surely your not born gay or straight in the sense you are born either male or female.
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Buy why shouldn't gay people get married in the church? Surely it's discrimination? And the CofE and the government seem to own marriage by what you've said in the latter half of what you said.
The church thinks it owns marriage, particularly judging by the way that it's acted recently. You must admit, many anti=gay marriage people have said that religion owns marriage.
It's a little different from having a boy or a girl surely? Well i know it is to me anyway
Obviously its different, but imho, ymmv, to me, etc, not that different in this context. I would hope the single most important thing on the minds of any parents is that their child is both healthy and happy. Since both genders, and all sexualities can be both happy and healthy, it's not all that diferent in the grand scheme of things.
That will debated til the end of time. Nature, nurture, mixture of the two? I doubt their will ever be consensus on this. But outside of academia, does it really matter?
I have a 13 year old Son, if he came to me (hopefully when he is a little older) and said 'Mum, Dad...I'm gay" if we are honest I think both of us would be a little disappointed, however that doesn't mean we would not accept him as he is, it wouldn't change how either of us felt about him, loved him, or treated him and he would be able to count on all the support and help he needs whatever his life choices might be. His happiness and being true to himself is more important to us than our rather minor disappointment over Grandchildren etc....
I expect quite a few, if not most straight parents would be the same to one degree or another.
If he came in and told us he was a Man City supporter however.......