Traffic cops bbc1

andi · 13 Dec 2012 at 16:23

DiCe! said:
Also I may completely ignorant of this, when ever I see these things they struggle so much to get people onto the floor. surely baton/kick to the back of the legs then just jump on them. Obviously much easier being a keyboard warrior, but it always amazes me how much trouble the police - who must have training have getting people down.

Its amazing how much strength people can summon up when they've got nothing to lose and are desperate. Tripping people up, wrapping your legs round theirs always seems to work quite well in theory, but you've got to be careful, there's a risk that you might end up on the floor, and them not. As you can imagine, that's not good. Ideally, you want to stay on your feet. Also, the person fighting you will always be doing their best to stay facing you, making doing anything to their back difficult.

Baton's are always a last resort, they're not particularly effective, they don't look good to bystanders, and its easy to lose one and have it used against you. They work well as an intimidation tactic, but I'd always go for CS or even better, hands on.

teulk said:
I am sure this is not a new series, either i have a sever case of deJa Vu or i have seen this before. I have definitely seen the the footage of the two sisters before and the guy on the Moped who failed to stop due to no MOT. I am pretty sure i've seen footage of the guy on the motorbike with the cannabis before too.

The twins one is from a few years ago. The stuff from this episode was new, it was supposed to be shown a few months ago, but after the two officers were killed here in Manchester, it was rescheduled and edited.

LeMson said:
9 months doesn't seem a lot for that

It doesn't does it, especially when the bloke who doodled on the painting got 2 years...

kash786 · 13 Dec 2012 at 17:20

Just out of interest, does anybody know what the make and model number of the bike was?

Scania · 13 Dec 2012 at 17:26

9mths for assaulting a Police officer, no MOT and a bike full of drugs.....

Is it any wonder scum like this laugh at our justice system?

Truly staggering.

Rybo89 · 13 Dec 2012 at 17:28

kash786 said:
Just out of interest, does anybody know what the make and model number of the bike was?

Yamaha R6 im guessing?

Sin_Chase · 13 Dec 2012 at 18:41

GBH causing seizures at a later date and supply amounts of drugs...9 months.

What a joke

King Damager · 13 Dec 2012 at 19:08

Yeah, looked a lot like an r6 actually...

kd

Finglonga · 13 Dec 2012 at 20:21

Yep an R6 it is.

Malevolence · 13 Dec 2012 at 20:25

Another one here who is shocked at the lack of help from the public. They all stood there laughing and joking whilst filming it one their mobiles. I'm by no means a tough guy, I can handle myself OK if push comes to shove, but I like to think I'd have jumped in to offer some help.

Shocking display of apathy from the public, they should be ashamed of themselves.

StarmanUK · 13 Dec 2012 at 20:30

Finally got a round to watching this tonight - agree with other comments made by others. 9 months is a total joke.

Mr Jones · 13 Dec 2012 at 21:43

Just watched it. Wow, the big copper shows some restrain! I'd have knocked him out to make the situation easier but he tried to hold him down. And it's quite shocking how the public stood by...

Gaygle · 13 Dec 2012 at 22:48

9 months (out in 4.5 i bet) for stabbing a police officer in the face, possessing bags of cannabis, speeding horrendously, resisting arrest, assaulting another police officer and having no MOT...

If you want to know why there is so much crime, look no further. I swear people have got similar sentences for much much less. :rolleyes:

delta0 · 13 Dec 2012 at 22:56

Just seen the footage. Incredible. The officer that got injured if he had been trained had a perfect opportunity to wrist lock and break the wrist if needed. I could see the other officer really wanted to do a lot more but was holding back from punching him.

gumpy321 · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:03

In a situation like that were an officer could be seriously injured, that cameraman should have intervened as should some of the public.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:31

delta0 said:
Just seen the footage. Incredible. The officer that got injured if he had been trained had a perfect opportunity to wrist lock and break the wrist if needed. I could see the other officer really wanted to do a lot more but was holding back from punching him.

We are trained in a number of wrist locks. Putting someone in them is not recital in that sort of situation.

rexehuk · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:34

Burnsy2023 said:
We are trained in a number of wrist locks. Putting someone in them is not recital in that sort of situation.

Not allowed to grab around neck I take it? Few headlock moments in there...

delta0 · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:44

Burnsy2023 said:
We are trained in a number of wrist locks. Putting someone in them is not recital in that sort of situation.

Getting stabbed in the face would not warrant a wrist lock?

Gaygle · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:53

rexehuk said:
Not allowed to grab around neck I take it? Few headlock moments in there...

You can do what you damn well please if you can justify it.

delta0 said:
Getting stabbed in the face would not warrant a wrist lock?

I think what burnsy is saying is that whilst there is good training provided, putting someone in a wrist lock isn't as easy as you're making out, especially if they're resisting with such ferocity and are pumped on adrenaline. Not to mention that if you don't use these skills, you lose them. It's not every day you're wrestling with nutters and putting them in wrist locks, especially if you're in RPU.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Dec 2012 at 23:56

As above.

Sin_Chase · 14 Dec 2012 at 00:02

You can do anything if you can justify it, including deadly force where warranted.

Wrists locks and other 'ACPO Approved methods' are great....when you can effectively apply them. In a training environment it's all well and good but in practice it's never that easy with a combative person.

Also, locks are pain compliance, someone in that kind of a frenzy is beyond pain compliance to a certain degree. He was DRAGGING an entire officer with the bars of a closed cuff on a single wrist. They hurt enough as it is when struggling but dragging a fully grown male by the wrist with one....he clearly had no issues with pain.

Having been subjected to locks they do hurt...some, but anyone so inclined could take the pain. Possibly to the point where you are breaking bones which becomes a little harder to justify...but justifiable nonetheless.

In a scrap like that the officers ended up exactly where you might expect them to...sitting on the bloke and immobilising him till help arrived. Not clean, but ultimately effective. Remember, while an officer can strike someone where justified (Be it punch or other closed fist techniques) the public perception of that is much worse than palm based pushes or softer appearing techniques, irrespective of whether justified an officer punching someone never looks good.

delta0 · 14 Dec 2012 at 00:15

I think that is why he didn't get the lock on. He lost balance and was dragged. When I first started training in Jiu Jitsu it was very easy to be overcome and you often ended up on the floor fighting. We had a few police guys in my class. The black belt one was outstanding but that is a lot of training to get there, normally 9+ years and you have been training against live weapons for at least a year before. It is a tough skill and it is impressive what the police do.