I predict we're going to see dramatic improvements from AMD

[Tonester0011]

I've been a "nvidia fanboy" for years I think I only owned one or two amd/ati gpus in my entire history as a gamer but really, to be honest now you have to be a goddamn mentally challenged orangutan to get crashes. I remember when I bought my current gpu (7850) I immediately thought about how bad people say amd's drivers are. And surprise, when I installed them, they worked perfectly. Card's cool as ice, no crashes (apart from unstable overclocks)... NOTHING. I'd really wish people will stop perpetuating lies like this. Sure, if you're a 0 at computers and like to install all kinds of crap just because a popup on the internet tells you and your computer runs like ****, I think your midas touch of "****" would affect an amd gpu as well, but if you know how to clean traces of uninstalled drivers and install it properly, you'll have no problems. To be honest I've had way more troubles with nvidia gpus. Overheating, bad OC capabilities, crap price/performance ratio (hence the reason why I bought an AMD gpu, I was tired of seeing a card 25% faster that costed less than what I owned, and what I owned was same gen as that certain amd card), and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card, GPU throttling while overclocking, not being to uninstall some drivers (for example physx) because they install themselves again after next restart, and other headaches. Stop saying lies people, amd drivers are fine. Sure, they get large perfomance increases as they release newer versions, but isn't that great? Why would that be a sign of "bad drivers"? Nividia releases drivers that increase performance as well, why aren't you calling their drivers "bad"? Why does everyone have double standards here and everywhere on the internet? FFS, even greek/roman philosophers 2000 years ago studied these kinds of logical fallacies and tried to avoid making mistakes like that, but you obviously aren't nowhere as smart as a man who lived 2000 years ago, who was part of a barbaric society who still enjoyed watching people get killed in arenas or executed in public.

Lovely wall of text.
If you're going to compare our society with the Romans/Greeks and call them barbaric, let me show your our current day arenas, they're currently shown live on TV and they call themselves "Talent shows" and "Reality TV" where we watch people get killed and executed.

 

[oldestgregg]

I've been a "nvidia fanboy" for years I think I only owned one or two amd/ati gpus in my entire history as a gamer but really, to be honest now you have to be a goddamn mentally challenged orangutan to get crashes. I remember when I bought my current gpu (7850) I immediately thought about how bad people say amd's drivers are. And surprise, when I installed them, they worked perfectly. Card's cool as ice, no crashes (apart from unstable overclocks)... NOTHING. I'd really wish people will stop perpetuating lies like this. Sure, if you're a 0 at computers and like to install all kinds of crap just because a popup on the internet tells you and your computer runs like ****, I think your midas touch of "****" would affect an amd gpu as well, but if you know how to clean traces of uninstalled drivers and install it properly, you'll have no problems. To be honest I've had way more troubles with nvidia gpus. Overheating, bad OC capabilities, crap price/performance ratio (hence the reason why I bought an AMD gpu, I was tired of seeing a card 25% faster that costed less than what I owned, and what I owned was same gen as that certain amd card), and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card, GPU throttling while overclocking, not being to uninstall some drivers (for example physx) because they install themselves again after next restart, and other headaches. Stop saying lies people, amd drivers are fine. Sure, they get large perfomance increases as they release newer versions, but isn't that great? Why would that be a sign of "bad drivers"? Nividia releases drivers that increase performance as well, why aren't you calling their drivers "bad"? Why does everyone have double standards here and everywhere on the internet? FFS, even greek/roman philosophers 2000 years ago studied these kinds of logical fallacies and tried to avoid making mistakes like that, but you obviously aren't nowhere as smart as a man who lived 2000 years ago, who was part of a barbaric society who still enjoyed watching people get killed in arenas or executed in public.

Whoah there.He is saying they are a crash fest because for HIM thats how its been.I myself am AMD and personally I have had no problems but my friend has the same card and has had nowt but problems.Wind your neck in

 

[oldestgregg]

Lovely wall of text.
If you're going to compare our society with the Romans/Greeks and call them barbaric, let me show your our current day arenas, they're currently shown live on TV and they call themselves "Talent shows" and "Reality TV" where we watch people get killed and executed.

HaHa,well said mate

 

[Gregster]

I've been a "nvidia fanboy" for years I think I only owned one or two amd/ati gpus in my entire history as a gamer but really, to be honest now you have to be a goddamn mentally challenged orangutan to get crashes. I remember when I bought my current gpu (7850) I immediately thought about how bad people say amd's drivers are. And surprise, when I installed them, they worked perfectly. Card's cool as ice, no crashes (apart from unstable overclocks)... NOTHING. I'd really wish people will stop perpetuating lies like this. Sure, if you're a 0 at computers and like to install all kinds of crap just because a popup on the internet tells you and your computer runs like ****, I think your midas touch of "****" would affect an amd gpu as well, but if you know how to clean traces of uninstalled drivers and install it properly, you'll have no problems. To be honest I've had way more troubles with nvidia gpus. Overheating, bad OC capabilities, crap price/performance ratio (hence the reason why I bought an AMD gpu, I was tired of seeing a card 25% faster that costed less than what I owned, and what I owned was same gen as that certain amd card), and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card, GPU throttling while overclocking, not being to uninstall some drivers (for example physx) because they install themselves again after next restart, and other headaches. Stop saying lies people, amd drivers are fine. Sure, they get large perfomance increases as they release newer versions, but isn't that great? Why would that be a sign of "bad drivers"? Nividia releases drivers that increase performance as well, why aren't you calling their drivers "bad"? Why does everyone have double standards here and everywhere on the internet? FFS, even greek/roman philosophers 2000 years ago studied these kinds of logical fallacies and tried to avoid making mistakes like that, but you obviously aren't nowhere as smart as a man who lived 2000 years ago, who was part of a barbaric society who still enjoyed watching people get killed in arenas or executed in public.

My eyes are burning....

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Pfft!

Hardcore gamers use VIA graphics chips.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

To be honest, his Grammar/layout could have been improved, but he has a fair point.

Too much blame gets laid out on drivers these days; and neither team are perfect, I've encountered some real stinkers of bugs and faults on both team's efforts and there have been clear points in history where Nvidia's drivers have been terrible; a good example being Vista's launch, so I'm glad they are finally starting to lose the reputation for having golden drivers, although the myth does still get perpetuated.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an AMD/ATI guy as a general rule for price to performance ratio reasons, but my current GPU should tell you I'm no fanboy.
Sometimes the issue really is the driver; but quirks with a specific setup, dev issues, or even just plain OTHER things being at fault (overclocks, dodgy components etc), all seem to be fair game, and the usual first blame seems to be the drivers.

And neither team is spotless here. I will concede that Nvidia do have some nice customisable options in thier control panel AMD don't currently offer, but horses for courses, most of these options aren't exactly a big deal except for people who tweak a lot; most Nvidia users probably don't even know what they're for, gamer or not!

 

[spoffle]

To be honest, his Grammar/layout could have been improved, but he has a fair point.

Too much blame gets laid out on drivers these days; and neither team are perfect, I've encountered some real stinkers of bugs and faults on both team's efforts and there have been clear points in history where Nvidia's drivers have been terrible; a good example being Vista's launch, so I'm glad they are finally starting to lose the reputation for having golden drivers, although the myth does still get perpetuated.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an AMD/ATI guy as a general rule for price to performance ratio reasons, but my current GPU should tell you I'm no fanboy.
Sometimes the issue really is the driver; but quirks with a specific setup, dev issues, or even just plain OTHER things being at fault (overclocks, dodgy components etc), all seem to be fair game, and the usual first blame seems to be the drivers.

And neither team is spotless here. I will concede that Nvidia do have some nice customisable options in thier control panel AMD don't currently offer, but horses for courses, most of these options aren't exactly a big deal except for people who tweak a lot; most Nvidia users probably don't even know what they're for, gamer or not!

The people who claim nVidia has golden drivers are generally the same people who claim AMD's never work.

Lots of people for some reason seem completely unwilling to accept that driver issues happen regardless of your hardware, and people seem way to quick to blame drivers for issues when they have no idea at all what the issue is.

Like that recent issue between 79XX cards and X58/X79 chipsets. So many people were getting rabid and angry blaming AMD when they had no idea what the issue was.

Not to say I'm claiming it wasn't AMD because I have no idea whether it was an issue with the X79 chipset, or the 7900 cards, the same way no one else really knows (consumers at least).

 

[Kotu]

I am not sure I want this guy working for AMD, the TWIMTBP campaign is actually quite annoying since the only exposure I get to it is YET ANOTHER advertising splash screen before I can start playing a game, a lot of the time you can't even skip it

Its going to be pretty annoying if every new game has you waiting through
"Nvidia, the way its meant to be played"
"AMD, the way its supposed to be played"

Nvidia still are not getting any money from me while their drivers purposely stop physx working while an AMD card is present, even if you can use hacks to get around it.

 

[Rroff]

Where are these people who claim nVidia's drivers are flawless?

nVidia very much don't have a reputation for "golden" drivers. They do have a better track record for driver and application/game support than ATI or AMD however.


EDIT: On a pedantic note - ATI and even AMD have a long standing bug with hardware accelerated surfaces and power management that absolute will cause crashes, grey screens, video artifacts, etc. with youtube videos and other flash/media content using hardware acceleration on some setups and isn't entirely uncommon.

 

[humbug]

Its not a case of people who claiming nVidia's drivers are flawless.

Its people constantly Bull-poo on about how apparently bad AMD drivers are for no apparent reason other than to try and make them look bad.

Like you just did.

Rroff, really?

Where are these people who claim nVidia's drivers are flawless?

nVidia very much don't have a reputation for "golden" drivers. They do have a better track record for driver and application/game support than ATI or AMD however.


EDIT: On a pedantic note - ATI and even AMD have a long standing bug with hardware accelerated surfaces and power management that absolute will cause crashes, grey screens, video artifacts, etc. with youtube videos and other flash/media content using hardware acceleration on some setups and isn't entirely uncommon.

This---

I've been a "nvidia fanboy" for years I think I only owned one or two amd/ati gpus in my entire history as a gamer but really, to be honest now you have to be a goddamn mentally challenged orangutan to get crashes. I remember when I bought my current gpu (7850) I immediately thought about how bad people say amd's drivers are. And surprise, when I installed them, they worked perfectly. Card's cool as ice, no crashes (apart from unstable overclocks)... NOTHING. I'd really wish people will stop perpetuating lies like this. Sure, if you're a 0 at computers and like to install all kinds of crap just because a popup on the internet tells you and your computer runs like ****, I think your midas touch of "****" would affect an amd gpu as well, but if you know how to clean traces of uninstalled drivers and install it properly, you'll have no problems. To be honest I've had way more troubles with nvidia gpus. Overheating, bad OC capabilities, crap price/performance ratio (hence the reason why I bought an AMD gpu, I was tired of seeing a card 25% faster that costed less than what I owned, and what I owned was same gen as that certain amd card), and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card, GPU throttling while overclocking, not being to uninstall some drivers (for example physx) because they install themselves again after next restart, and other headaches. Stop saying lies people, amd drivers are fine. Sure, they get large perfomance increases as they release newer versions, but isn't that great? Why would that be a sign of "bad drivers"? Nividia releases drivers that increase performance as well, why aren't you calling their drivers "bad"? Why does everyone have double standards here and everywhere on the internet? FFS, even greek/roman philosophers 2000 years ago studied these kinds of logical fallacies and tried to avoid making mistakes like that, but you obviously aren't nowhere as smart as a man who lived 2000 years ago, who was part of a barbaric society who still enjoyed watching people get killed in arenas or executed in public.

And well said that man!

 

[Nelly]

Nvidia still are not getting any money from me while their drivers purposely stop physx working while an AMD card is present, even if you can use hacks to get around it.

More of a case of Nvidia buying out Ageia, too bad AMD/ATI wasn't quicker on the ball to aquire the tech, then they could have blocked Nvidia from using it instead.

 

[Rroff]

Its not a case of people who claiming nVidia's drivers are flawless.

Several posters above and over the years have made claims of nVidia fanboys going around proclaiming nVidia drivers are flawless and ATI/AMD drivers are terrible and completely broken - but its just an AMD/ATI fanboy perspective talking - if you look through these or many other forums you will find very few if anyone claiming nVidia drivers are flawless - there used to be 2 raging nVidia fanboys who made claims along those lines on these forums but they've not posted such in the last ~3 years - one I believe has been banned and the other switched to a raging AMD fanboy about 2-3 years ago and been spouting the complete opposite as if they never supported nVidia.

Its people constantly Bull-poo on about how apparently bad AMD drivers are for no apparent reason other than to try and make them look bad.

Like you just did.

Rroff, really?

Only setting the record straight he said: "and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card" its a well documented fact that there is a long standing bug with AMD drivers/hardware thats existed since the ATI days with regards to hardware accelerated surfaces that casuses problems with amongst other things especially youtube videos and its not a rare problem or end user issue either.

Wasn't trying to make them look bad thats just what you assume my words mean.

 

[humbug]

Only setting the record straight he said: "and DRIVER ISSUES. "Display stopped responding and has recovered successfully" while watching a flash video on YOUTUBE, that NEVER happens with an amd card" its a well documented fact that there is a long standing bug with AMD drivers/hardware thats existed since the ATI days with regards to hardware accelerated surfaces that casuses problems with amongst other things especially youtube videos and its not a rare problem or end user issue either.

Wasn't trying to make them look bad thats just what you assume my words mean.

Its also a long standing bug with Nvidia just the same in every way.

He said he never had that problem, and neither have i. But he did have a bucket load of issues with Nvidia.

So give it a rest.

 

[Rroff]

And? I never said nVidia didn't suffer from that problem but the tone of his post implied that it was never a problem on AMD setups - where it factually has been a long standing and documented issue for atleast as long as it has been on the nVidia side.

Again your perspective is putting meanings to my words in your head that I'm not implying or meaning.

 

[Kaapstad]

All this talk about drivers is so boring.

When I look to buy a GPU I don't give a jot wheather the drivers have a reputation for being good bad or somewhere in the middle. All I look at is the performance of the card in the latest reviews and if it will run the games I want it to.

Once I have bought the card I will use the most suitable drivers for what games apps I want to run.

I would rather buy a powerful card with rubbish drivers but good performance than a weak card with excellent drivers and poor performance. The HD 7970 was a good example of this back in May, I was very temped to get it then as the performance was still top notch. Now all these faster versions have appeared how could I resist (the lastest drivers are just the icing on the cake).

 

[d_brennen]

Wow, this potential powder keg has turned into a love in! Great to see everyone get along for a change

How silly of me, the usual suspects have come out to play

 

[humbug]

And? I never said nVidia didn't suffer from that problem but the tone of his post implied that it was never a problem on AMD setups - where it factually has been a long standing and documented issue for atleast as long as it has been on the nVidia side.

Again your perspective is putting meanings to my words in your head that I'm not implying or meaning.

I know it is / or for the time being was a problem, i have helped plenty of People fix it in my time all over these forums.

I don't know why Nvidia GPU's did it.

On the AMD side...
The problem stems from AMD's idiotic 0 power state mission, its where the GPU effectively all but shuts off completely while your on the desktop and have no use for it.

Yet video such as Youtube use the GPU to accelerate steaming. For what ever reason its not kicking in the GPU out of its idle state, or its using the GPU with clocks and volts that are just to low (which could be the same thing as it simple not waking up when it needs to)

The way to fix it is to force the GPU to run permanently in '3D mode'
You can do that in TRIXX or Asus GPU Tweak, or via the editing the registry.

That now seems to have been fixed, which has created a new complaint for some people.
I don't know if you have seen it or not? but i have people complain that their AMD GPU is clocking up from idle clocks when they watch Youtube.
Which IS exactly what its supposed to do lol...

My problem is simply this, AMD's problems are thrown around far to redily as if Nvidia don't have problems, you can't say i prefer Nvidia because AMD have this and that problem when its the same for Nvidia.
It's disingenuous.
I have actually had more Nvidia GPU's in my time than i have AMD. i have had no real problem with either side.
They are both great GPU makers, no one is better than the other, no one has more problems than the other.

Your right, there are Fanboy's on both sides, and like some school yard loyalty mentality accusations and falsehoods are thrown around.
It just seems to me right now that there are far more butt-hurt Nvidia fans then there have ever been.

 

[Martini1991]

Wish people would stop saying butt hurt.
"Herp derp, AMD fanboys are butthurt"
"Nvidia fanboys are butthurt"

Give it a rest children.

 

[Laher]

Doesn't An00bis understand that his current experience of AMD is exactly that : current.

Both teams have had their fair share of drivers problems (I've used both in my time)

But AMD are certainly winning at the moment by a fairly large margin

***When not considering Crossfire/sli and dual/triple monitor setups*****

I and I'd say a huge majority of the market do not care about crossfire/sli etc, So nuff said.

 

[rolypolyman]

Where are these people who claim nVidia's drivers are flawless?

nVidia very much don't have a reputation for "golden" drivers. They do have a better track record for driver and application/game support than ATI or AMD however.


EDIT: On a pedantic note - ATI and even AMD have a long standing bug with hardware accelerated surfaces and power management that absolute will cause crashes, grey screens, video artifacts, etc. with youtube videos and other flash/media content using hardware acceleration on some setups and isn't entirely uncommon.

Not for me they havnt, never had such a problem. Maybe your choice of words could have been better Rroff.