Valve

I don't think that Valve are some sort of godly entity, however, I do believe that they do what they do very well both in terms of games and the Steam platform. It took a long time to convert me but I love Steam. There's no point buying physical copies as you don't get nice doorstep-thickness manuals, maps and other bits and pieces anymore. :(

I despise what EA have done to fantastic developers (Bioware, Bullfrog etc) and franchises (eg: Dragon Age). This is why there is so much hate for them tbh. Dragging things down to the lowest common denominator, or destroying them completely.
 
Just looking at steam exclusively,it's obviously an end to sell games but their genius to me is in the way it does it. DRM is there but it's not an issue (steamguard alone this is), DLC is a click and go system without drama, I can chat to friends without alt tab, updates are automatic, everything is well designed and slick etc...

It's a sum of it's parts. Steam took several things that were wrong about gaming and fixed them in one client. It used to be crap, everyone knows that, but it's the work they did to fix it. This sort of behaviour is fairly rare in corporations these days so anyone who actually delivers what the customer wants is seen as a decent company and people like this. They have rough points, all companies do, but their ongoing commitment to the customer and the consistently improving service is pretty refreshing to be honest.

It's like the logitech of software - nearly everyone trusts them because even at their worst, they are probably better than the competitors. EA is fairly good but the issues they have are mainly related to upper management design decisions which are fairly numerous (eating of several, huge, game makers who should never have been treated the way they were is my personal gripe) or to do with how they treat customer (DLC is free on Valve vs £XX on the day of release for EA). Origin isn't bad, but it's not great because they havn't had the time or experience in this business as valve have (selling, not making). It may mature in time but steam already had such a HUGE lead it's changed the business - customers expect more than just a point of sale and EA will need to match this or be forever in their trail.
 
EA and Activision for example have **** on gamers time and time again, they are all about the money, that is FACT and are ran by people in suits with no passion for the industry, just its bank balance.

Valve have Gabe.

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Thank you for making my point so eloquently. It's your own fault for buying COD. You don't have to buy it, so why get all butt-hurt about it? This is what amazes me about gamers. They have such an air of self-entitlement and are so short sighted and fickle. How has a company **** on you? Did they slash your tires or something?
 
Remember when E.A pulled all their sports games from the PC?

Remember when they said the PC was not capable of running the then "New gen" FIFA?

**** YOU E.A
 
If you are a PC gamer, why are you even asking these questions?

Eh, because Valve aren't the white knights of gaming?

I like Steam, but Valve apologists conveniently seem to forget the restrictive EULA tallied against our rentals, sorry purchases.

I like Valve, Steam and enjoy their games. But I also appreciate that are in the game to make money, not to create a gaming utopia. And there is nothing wrong with that.
 
Thank you for making my point so eloquently. It's your own fault for buying COD. You don't have to buy it, so why get all butt-hurt about it? This is what amazes me about gamers. They have such an air of self-entitlement and are so short sighted and fickle. How has a company **** on you? Did they slash your tires or something?

LOL

I have not purchased a COD game since COD4.

It was rather childish to presume I had to be honest and go off on a rant like that against me.

E.A and Activision HAVE **** on gamers and the gaming industry, that does not mean I purchase their games.
 
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Remember when E.A pulled all their sports games from the PC?

Remember when they said the PC was not capable of running the then "New gen" FIFA?

**** YOU E.A

Maybe blame the consumers who didn't buy the PC version? If it isn't selling then why invest money in developing it?

May I also ask why you rant at EA, but not at Konami for their failure in bringing the Pro Ev series to PC? Which for many years was the football fan favourite.

In the end buy Fifa for a 360 or PS3 and enjoy Job done:)
 
Valve have Gabe.

Gabe is AWESOME.

I thought kids would be at school today. The cult of personality here is slightly childish.

Gabe is a business man. A smart man who has created a successful business. I do think he cares about the community, but I also think that his priorities will always lie with protecting his company and livelihoods of his staff.
 
LOL

I have not purchased a COD game since COD4.

It was rather childish to presume I had to be honest and go off on a rant like that against me.

E.A and Activision HAVE **** on gamers and the gaming industry, that does not mean I purchase their games.

Oh dear. Well crying about some big bad companies, holding Gabe Newell in idolity and trying to be all clever with /thread things etc. has made your high horse collapse before you even got on it. And all from a 34 year old man.

All this thread asked for was some sensible, mature debate. I allowed myself to be drawn down to your level and for that I am disappointed.
 
So far, at least for me, Valve have only done two things wrong. No Half-Life 3, and the adverts that pop up when I exit a game.

The latter one I can't even really fault them for. Steam is, at the end of the day, a shop. Shops sell you stuff, it is why they exist. There is nothing wrong with Steam existing purely to make money, the games we are playing exist purely to make money. This is how the world works.

Steam just does it a lot better than origin. Origin exists basically to push EA's dodgyness. Origin also uses around 6GB of memory (might be a slight exaggeration) just sitting there while Steam uses next to nothing. Valve don't push story-critical 0-day DLC, buy into smaller developers and flog them to death either.
 
Love: HL1, HL2, Steam, Portal 1 & 2

Hate: Lack of HL3

WTF, I never thought I'd agree with you :D :p.

I'm sure most of this has been mentioned but the main reasons I "dislike" (I don't really care that much tbh) are:

EA etc release games and then either charge for DLC which should have been a part of the game or make it pre-order/Limited Edition only etc, Valve offer new content for their already sold games for free.

Valve's micro-transaction stuff for their free games (TF2/DotA2, I play neither game :p) are all just cosmetics (again, I don't play, so this is afaik), skins and all that, they have no ingame benefit. Other companies basically force you to spend money to be able to actually play properly.

Valve don't buy up smaller/indie devs, then make them release rubbish games until they just close the studio, instead they publish their games on Steam giving them a much larger audience to sell games (that they made/decided stuff on, not Valve) to while taking a cut of the proceeds. Making money is fine, doing it to the detriment of the consumer is what people dislike.
 
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Yup, agreed with OP, except personally I don't think they make great games anymore, and heavily use(and have used) the promise of future titles to keep people coming back while putting in seemingly next to no effort or profits into their "big" titles of their own.

Its become a commercial selling platform, not just the program they use for their own games.

Portal is great, but short, and portal 2 for me was significantly worse, easier and less daring than the original like any other series. Likewise HL1 was the best, HL2 was good but not as good for me, all the episodes I think have been complete crap, rehashed rubbish, reusing much of the same stuff, same area's, same feel, nothing new, overpriced and way too short and years between small games without much new content.

The only reason people have complained less is... they're only making one or two series worse because they only have one or two.

Is steam fantastic, no, its a basic shop and game launching client, it offers me no more or less functionality than any other app that does the same crap for me. As said in the OP, they keep offering you stuff that is a great price... and humans in general(me included) hate passing up a good deal just in case, however I haven't been sucked into the Steam experience of spending on stuff I'll never play. There are guys who bang on about steam sales who also say they have 100's of games they've never played, never will play, never really wanted to play. I'd prefer to pay £30 on a game I want than 20p each for 100 games I don't want to play JUSt because they are cheap and I might eventually open one of them.

Steam suck on pricing for stuff you actually want, offer nothing no one else doesn't, spends a lot of time and effort getting you to buy stuff you don't really want and spends seemingly very little of its vast profits actually making games, and not making great games.

In terms of being a good platform for indie's to get their games up.... I honestly don't know if thats true, it is, lots of people use it and people can put their games on it, but I have no idea if they make much from each sale, if Valve are good, or have become a giant and take most of the profits.

I see nothing brilliant about Steam, origin, Uplay or anything else, nor anything particularly bad with them, the love for steam I don't get, its an application, its a list of short cuts, you can put a list of shortcuts to all your games in a folder and have identical "all my games are here" functionality people keep banging on about.

Its like people think shortcuts and arranging all your game ones in one list is... magic? I find how much people like a list of shortcuts so valuable, but thats just me.

If they aren't charging indie game makers through the teeth for each sale, good for them, but ultimately I see Valve as a massively profitable retailer... who very occasionally release a game.
 
All this thread asked for was some sensible, mature debate.

Then maybe you should lead by example instead of throwing around assumptions which are untrue, hardly "mature" of you is it?

Thank you for taking the time to look at my profile though, I have nothing to hide.

Yes, I am 34.

Yes, I love this industry and yes I do feel passionate about it.

I detest the direction the industry has been guided towards and the manner within which the self proclaimed AAA publishers go about their work, they have no respect for the industry, those who work within it or the consumers of it.

I singled out E.A and Activision but just look at all the **** which they have caused within the industry over the last decade.

Look at all the EXCELLENT studios they have purchased and either shutdown or merged with the rest of their operation. Look at the quality of games they now produce. With the budgets they have, they should be making the best games, EVER. Not the same rehashed ******** with added day one DLC.

Look at their execs who have the bare face cheek to tell us that sales are bad and DLC is their shning beacon. The same execs who enforce decisions regarding the direction of a game based on monetary gain alone and not taking gameplay into account.

Look at Valve...
 
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I thought kids would be at school today. The cult of personality here is slightly childish.

Gabe is a business man. A smart man who has created a successful business. I do think he cares about the community, but I also think that his priorities will always lie with protecting his company and livelihoods of his staff.

I fail to see the downside.
 
Valve has always treated me well as a consumer.

  • They've given me free games
  • Let me mod their games with their blessing
  • Given indie developers a good platform to publish on
  • Allowed me to make money from thier game items
  • Made it easy for me to install/reinstall my games
  • Given me more free software to make machinima
  • Every few months good discounts are given
  • Produced a great platform to keep in contact with my gaming buddies

As well as this, they've kept their integrity and stayed a private company so there are no shareholders dictating them.
 
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