Being Fat / Getting Fat..

[Skillmister]

Reading this has made my day... No actually make that my YEAR !!!!

Frickin' sweet !

That doesn't mean ****. You could say the same thing about any food source, "doesn't necessarily equate to weight gain in moderation".

 

[thedoc46]

Now go read the reserch that is refrenced in the article, and the article is rubbish. It's taken low level frequent drinking and applied that to all alcholo consumption. Even the reserch says outside of that it can contribute to increase weight due to calories.

Noooooooooooooooooooo don't spoil it for me.

 

[Glaucus]

Noooooooooooooooooooo don't spoil it for me.

Basically the reserch shows th ativ you take two groups o identical diet, one drinks a small glass of say red grape juice daily and the other drinks a glass of small red wine daily. The group drinking the red wine will have a reduction in weight albeit an insignificant amount.

This doesn't apply to binge drinking 10 pints on a Saturday combined with 6 sugary jäger bombs.

Ie

This does not mean that you cannot drink moderately and lose weight. In one 2004 study, when 49 overweight Germans were randomly assigned to one of two1,500-calorie diets—one including a glass
of white wine a day and the other a glass of grape juice—the wine group actually lost a slightly larger (albeit statistically insignificant) amount of weight.

And a lot of other data is pure epidemiological which jsut looks as stats. Women who have a low volume, high frequency alcholo diet are thinner than the counter parts. Does this mean alcholo causes it! Maybe, maybe not. Epidemiological is only good for pointing scientists where to do further studies. However media has used these statistical reserch as gospel. It could very well be, people who have such drink habits, simply on average have other healthier aspects in their life. Or it might be a link albeit insignificant, like the German reserch.

 

[Dave M]

I'll have 4 pints on saturday night, 4.5-5% real ales. I increase my calories at the weekend anyway and that's part of it, it'd not really work out for me if I didn't as it's a part of enjoying my weekend. I sometimes tone that down to 2 pints (drinking halves) if I'm up early the next day or if I really just don't fancy anything on the bar.

Thankfully I have no issue with peer pressure to drink any more, I could have diet coke if I wanted (both my regular bar buddies are diabetic so they're no strangers to diet restriction) but I like it and it doesn't do much harm.

Everything in moderation, including moderation

 

[Deluxe1]

Losing weight is easy if you are in the right mindset, keeping it off is the hard part.

 

[Somnambulist]

I have to say, from a fitness point of view, I cannot agree with fasting. No food means that you will struggle when you attempt to run/cycle or lift weights. You simply cannot function at full power in a fasted state.

BRB un-doing the PB's I hit while training fasted.

 

[illuz]

I have to say, from a fitness point of view, I cannot agree with fasting. No food means that you will struggle when you attempt to run/cycle or lift weights. You simply cannot function at full power in a fasted state.

This. Also the fact you're starving your body and if you do this regularly, it will hold on to anything you do eat until you get into a regular routine - thus contradicting why you're fasting, you'll just throw the weight straight back on when you start eating again.

 

[LOAM]

Oh god, starvation mode has been implied, can open, worms everywhere.

 

[icecold]

I have to say, from a fitness point of view, I cannot agree with fasting. No food means that you will struggle when you attempt to run/cycle or lift weights. You simply cannot function at full power in a fasted state.

Baseless and incorrect.

 

[Zefan]

I wrote out a big post ranting at all the retards in this thread. Decided against it as it's just pointless.

What it comes down to is, if you've posted your opinion as fact in this thread and you are not absolutely sure you know what you're talking about then you are almost certainly a retard. Stop being a retard please.

 

[norm]

Basically the reserch shows th ativ you take two groups o identical diet

Honestly how many times are you going to continue to misspell research in this thread. I can't read any of your posts, if you can't take the effort to type it correctly, it's not worth reading frankly.

 

[kwerk]

Alcohol is metabolized directly by the brain so the extra calories are dissipated out of your head as heat instead of being made in to fat atoms, so you can drink as much as you like (with in reason) with out getting fat. Thats why saint bernard rescue dogs carry brandy.

 

[-Ad-]

Alcohol is metabolized directly by the brain so the extra calories are dissipated out of your head as heat instead of being made in to fat atoms, so you can drink as much as you like (with in reason) with out getting fat. Thats why saint bernard rescue dogs carry brandy.

I can confirm this is completely 100% true.

Is it soo hard to understand this people!

 

[[TW]Fox]

Honestly how many times are you going to continue to misspell research in this thread. I can't read any of your posts, if you can't take the effort to type it correctly, it's not worth reading frankly.

Just give up, it'll just end up frustrating you. He refuses to proof read before hitting submit, 'reserch' is nothing, some of the posts in the more technical threads are borderline unreadable (Infact even the rest of the post you quoted is just odd). It's a shame because he often has interesting things to say but its overshadowed by his refusal to check it actually make sense before he hits 'Submit'.

 

[v0n]

I wrote a long post to all of my adversaries on previous pages, but ultimately decided against it, since nobody really reads any of the previous pages anyway, so I then have to repeatedly remind the same angry ranters that what I post is an explanation why dieting doesn't work for most fat people and NOT the reason why I personally don't diet. Or that I am currently overweight by choice and happy with it, rather than a severly disabled person who seeks help and counseling from strangers.

The gospel of a 95kg but size 34 dude who shed half his current weight on 1300-1600 calories across what appears to be two meals a day BUT does running and cycling marathons with weight lifting on those 1600 calories every day of the week and wonders why all fatties won't do the same will surely continue to be my favourite OCUK forum post exchange of the year. If his posts are true (as in, if he was truly one of the fatties, not just slightly "Arnie-ficated" jock), the numbers are so "out there" and the story is so unorthodox that it has to be one of the best documentary subjects in making.

I have 2000 mile drive back to England ahead of me in the next two days, won't be able to participate in this fiery exchange any longer, as much as I enjoy it. Slim ones - don't be ignorant. Fatties - don't let the B's get you down. Have a good Xmas.

 

[Skillmister]

There's so much bull **** in this thread i've lost track of who i'm actually supposed to be disagreeing with.

Brb off to eat a 250 calorie meal of 100% protein so i don't turn catabolic and lose all muscle and gain fat while i get my necessary 11 hours sleep.

Alcohol is metabolized directly by the brain so the extra calories are dissipated out of your head as heat instead of being made in to fat atoms, so you can drink as much as you like (with in reason) with out getting fat. Thats why saint bernard rescue dogs carry brandy.

WHAT LOL

 

[sunama]

Baseless and incorrect.

Okay. Lets look at this anecdotally.

I used to cycle a lot of miles and would certainly classify myself as an athlete (when I was younger). Without carbs and large amounts of food (before, during and after the ride), my performance suffered. This actually happened. You NEED carbs to replenish glycogen reserves to use during exercise. The same goes for water, during serious exercise. My endurance rides would typically last 5-6 hours (continuously on the bike).

Lets take a look at the Tour de France cyclists. After each day, they load up on carbs. They also have injections of vitamins and other potions. Intravenous drips are common, between days. Why? Because if the glycogen reserves are not replenished over night, their performance will seriously degrade as the days wear on. They cannot starve themselves.

Lets take a look at the World strongest men (those guys who enter competitons). These guys need 1000s of calories per day. This huge calorie consumption is common with all the competitors. And to consume these calories they cannot starve themselves at any point in the day. It is this huge calorie ingestion which allows them to maintain their performance and work their muscles at full power.

Now let me give you an example of people who go through sustained starvation through low calories. The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

I've given you 3 examples of athletes performing at their best when fully carbed/fueled. I've given you 1 example of what happens when somebody doesnt eat properly.

Give me a counter argument please...and have fun while breaking down my reasoning

PS. for people posting in this thread, please don't get emotional when replying - this is a public forum and you should expect to read opinions which disagree with your own. If you are getting emotional, then its best to unsubscribe to the thread.

 

[sunama]

There's so much bull **** in this thread i've lost track of who i'm actually supposed to be disagreeing with.

That's pretty funny.

 

[Zefan]

The best example I can give is what happened in the concentration camps in 1940s. The prisoners were given little food (starvation/fasting) and were made to do manual labour (training). Many prisoners who were exposed to this complained of becoming weak. This is actually a fact.

Did you actually just say this? For real? My days, what on earth is going on. Talk about a polarised argument, you're totally putting words in his mouth.

 

[godinman]

I wrote a long post to all of my adversaries on previous pages, but ultimately decided against it, since nobody really reads any of the previous pages anyway, so I then have to repeatedly remind the same angry ranters that what I post is an explanation why dieting doesn't work for most fat people and NOT the reason why I personally don't diet. Or that I am currently overweight by choice and happy with it, rather than a severly disabled person who seeks help and counseling from strangers.

The gospel of a 95kg but size 34 dude who shed half his current weight on 1300-1600 calories across what appears to be two meals a day BUT does running and cycling marathons with weight lifting on those 1600 calories every day of the week and wonders why all fatties won't do the same will surely continue to be my favourite OCUK forum post exchange of the year. If his posts are true (as in, if he was truly one of the fatties, not just slightly "Arnie-ficated" jock), the numbers are so "out there" and the story is so unorthodox that it has to be one of the best documentary subjects in making.

I have 2000 mile drive back to England ahead of me in the next two days, won't be able to participate in this fiery exchange any longer, as much as I enjoy it. Slim ones - don't be ignorant. Fatties - don't let the B's get you down. Have a good Xmas.

No one has ignored your arguments, they've just told you that you are completely wrong, which you are. You are self defeatist and delusional in regards to your ability to lose weight. If however you are happy being overweight then that's fine, but don't tell lies as to the reason and don't perpetuate myths that will discourage other people.