***The Official Nokia Lumia 920 Thread***

[Mike B]

This, the camera fix is vital for me as Im off to Barcelona for xmas. Just flashed the phone to the Belgian Proximus version - all seems OK, phone booted up, restored from backup and set localisation to UK

This was an unlocked german phone that had been flashed to generic UK software and then again to this new version...

Yeah same here I wan't to use this during the holidays without sub par camera performance.

 

[Izi]

i want to get rid of spotify from my PC. Does Xbox music work with Windows 7 or do you have to have Windows 8?

 

[Glaucus]

i want to get rid of spotify from my PC. Does Xbox music work with Windows 7 or do you have to have Windows 8?

You can still download and use zune, not sure which features are missing, but it hasn't got. Everything in Xbox music. Why not upgrade? It's only £25

I have the Zune Software installed on my PC. How can I take advantage of the new Xbox Music service?
Your Xbox Music Pass will work with the Zune PC Software, however, the best experience for your music subscription will be on Windows 8 PC's and tablets, Windows Phone 8 devices, and Xbox 360. Learn more about the Xbox Music app on Windows 8. If you still need to use the Zune PC software, you will continue to be able to download it on xbox.com and find support on xbox.com.

I own a Windows Phone 7 and have a Windows 7 PC. How can I take advantage of the new Xbox Music service?
An Xbox Music Pass will work on Windows 7 PC's and Windows Phone 7. However, to access the enhanced features and full benefits, an Xbox Music Pass must be enjoyed on Windows 8 PC's and tablets, and Windows Phone 8 devices. You can continue to find support for your Windows Phone 7 on xbox.com.

 

[Izi]

You can still download and use zune, not sure which features are missing, but it hasn't got. Everything in Xbox music. Why not upgrade? It's only £25

OK will try Zune.

Windows 8 sucks for office productivity. I have it on my laptop and am generally twice as a slow on it. The start button missing really is a kicker. Yes i know you can pin apps. Yes I know Windows R will bring up run box but I don't like the two separate OS's in one because lets face it, Metro is designed for tablets. Metro and Windows do not mix and shouldn't mix. I don't want to start a flame war, just have found myself to be much less productive on it.

 

[Mr Jones]

Crazy price for what we can get from China at £5 a pop...
http://store.wpcentral.com/incipio-feather-ultralight-hard-shell-case/4AA13220.htm

 

[Gerard]

Just wondering how easy to use the windows 8 mobile is in terms of transferring files to the phone? Is plugging it into a pc like plugging in a usb stick and you can dump files onto it easily? And what type of video formats does it support if i wanted to transfer some family guy episodes to it for example? Currently on iphone 4 and want a change as ive been using iphones (original and 4) since 2007.

 

[Izi]

Am I right in thinking there are no apps which allow you to stream video / tv to the phone similar to Catchup TV?

I note BBC iplayer says they won't be making an app due to none compliance.

 

[Macro]

OK will try Zune.

Windows 8 sucks for office productivity. I have it on my laptop and am generally twice as a slow on it. The start button missing really is a kicker. Yes i know you can pin apps. Yes I know Windows R will bring up run box but I don't like the two separate OS's in one because lets face it, Metro is designed for tablets. Metro and Windows do not mix and shouldn't mix. I don't want to start a flame war, just have found myself to be much less productive on it.

You're much less productive because instead of clicking on a start button in the bottom left corner to get a menu of apps you have to instead click on the bottom left corner to get a menu of apps... I see

Just how many seconds a day in productivity does that cost you? Twice as slow? So the missing start button takes you from 8 hours productivity to 4 a day.. Wow... W8 sucks...

 

[Brenn47]

OK will try Zune.

Windows 8 sucks for office productivity.

Install Classic Shell, adds the start button just as it was in windows 7.

I'd actually choose W8 over W7, it generally seems a bit faster and acts/works like w7 if you set it up right.

 

[Izi]

You're much less productive because instead of clicking on a start button in the bottom left corner to get a menu of apps you have to instead click on the bottom left corner to get a menu of apps... I see

Just how many seconds a day in productivity does that cost you? Twice as slow? So the missing start button takes you from 8 hours productivity to 4 a day.. Wow... W8 sucks...

How about not being able to search Apps, Settings and Files all at the same time with out moving the mouse or hitting more keys?

The UX is terrible in Windows 8. I wish people would stop blindly supporting it when clearly it is wrong. I am using it as we speak. I never go in to 'Metro' - its completly unusable, you can't resize windows to your liking which makes watching a video and doing other work at the same time a pain. Multitasking over all is a pain in the ass.

I end up basically never going in to Metro, which begs the question whats the point in it? Just give me my start button back and I'll be happy. I will start researching some third party apps soon.

Windows 8 is like Vista, you will get some people saying "It wasn't that bad" when Windows 9 comes out and fixes all the **** ups in W8.

Also you said "Just how many seconds " - it doesn't matter if its 0.00001 of a second, if it takes longer its bad. Take a look at studies Google has done in page load speed and bounce rates in the web. Even tiny fractions of a second have a difference in user uptake.

 

[Izi]

Install Classic Shell, adds the start button just as it was in windows 7.

I'd actually choose W8 over W7, it generally seems a bit faster and acts/works like w7 if you set it up right.

I'll look at this cheers. The start button is the biggest issue for me.

Installed this. The search box doesn't seem to search files?

 

[theheyes]

Explorer takes over a lot of what the Start menu did previously. Between that and the hot corner context menu the biggest issue to productivity is simply getting used to it.

 

[Macro]

How about not being able to search Apps, Settings and Files all at the same time with out moving the mouse or hitting more keys?

The UX is terrible in Windows 8. I wish people would stop blindly supporting it when clearly it is wrong. I am using it as we speak. I never go in to 'Metro' - its completly unusable, you can't resize windows to your liking which makes watching a video and doing other work at the same time a pain. Multitasking over all is a pain in the ass.

I end up basically never going in to Metro, which begs the question whats the point in it? Just give me my start button back and I'll be happy. I will start researching some third party apps soon.

Windows 8 is like Vista, you will get some people saying "It wasn't that bad" when Windows 9 comes out and fixes all the **** ups in W8.

Also you said "Just how many seconds " - it doesn't matter if its 0.00001 of a second, if it takes longer its bad. Take a look at studies Google has done in page load speed and bounce rates in the web. Even tiny fractions of a second have a difference in user uptake.

So it doesn't make you half as productive really does it, you say you never go into the metro screen so that presumably doesn't effect you at all. The only programs you can't resize are "metro" apps which you say you never use anyway, all the normal x86 apps you would use on Win7 work exactly the same way they did in 7 resizing and multitasking included. Metro apps will happily snap to the side of the screen and multitask. Search works fine for me and the occasional 1 second I may lose in having to chose which category it searches on the right side of the screen is more than made up for by it's ability to hand a search term off to apps (for example get an app like star chart and then search for "Saturn" from the start screen). The UX in Windows 8 is not terrible, that's just your opinion, try using a touch enabled device, or spend some time getting it how you like it as you would do with W7 setup and it makes sense. On a mouse and keyboard based device just use the start screen as a start menu, one click, list of apps, click app, get on with life (without having to drill down through Start:allProgramsublisheregramgroup:select program) all your old x86 apps work the same way as ever they did. How is it that W8 has halved your "office" productivity? Which programs are you using? Perhaps we can help / have some suggestions?

If you want to work with W7 then use W7, don't try and make W8 into W7. Otherwise take some time to learn how to do things in W8 and accept things change over time and you'll save a lot of frustration.

Sorry, but the whole "W8 is for touch only and I can't work my computer anymore because I can't find the start button so w8 is rubbish" is a poor sweeping generalisation. If you can't cope with W8 stick with the older W7, it's a fine OS and sounds like it will save you a lot of frustration.

 

[lrthumwood]

So it doesn't make you half as productive really does it, you say you never go into the metro screen so that presumably doesn't effect you at all. The only programs you can't resize are "metro" apps which you say you never use anyway, all the normal x86 apps you would use on Win7 work exactly the same way they did in 7 resizing and multitasking included. Metro apps will happily snap to the side of the screen and multitask. Search works fine for me and the occasional 1 second I may lose in having to chose which category it searches on the right side of the screen is more than made up for by it's ability to hand a search term off to apps (for example get an app like star chart and then search for "Saturn" from the start screen). The UX in Windows 8 is not terrible, that's just your opinion, try using a touch enabled device, or spend some time getting it how you like it as you would do with W7 setup and it makes sense. On a mouse and keyboard based device just use the start screen as a start menu, one click, list of apps, click app, get on with life (without having to drill down through Start:allProgramsublisheregramgroup:select program) all your old x86 apps work the same way as ever they did. How is it that W8 has halved your "office" productivity? Which programs are you using? Perhaps we can help / have some suggestions?

If you want to work with W7 then use W7, don't try and make W8 into W7. Otherwise take some time to learn how to do things in W8 and accept things change over time and you'll save a lot of frustration.

Sorry, but the whole "W8 is for touch only and I can't work my computer anymore because I can't find the start button so w8 is rubbish" is a poor sweeping generalisation. If you can't cope with W8 stick with the older W7, it's a fine OS and sounds like it will save you a lot of frustration.

Couldn't of put it better myself..... get with the times people, things change, change with them.

 

[Izi]

>So it doesn't make you half as productive really does it, you say you never go into the metro screen so that presumably doesn't effect you at all.

You HAVE to go in to metro to find stuff, its forced and not an option

>The only programs you can't resize are "metro" apps

Which is all of Metro, massive oversight.

>Metro apps will happily snap to the side of the screen and multitask.

But you can't say how much of the app you want to see. Also many apps simply don't have functionality that small. Not well thought out at all

> occasional 1 second I may lose

So you agree its bad UX?

It is my opinion and many others that Windows 8 UX does suck. You are entitled to your own opinion as am I.

>Sorry, but the whole "W8 is for touch only"

I never said that, but Metro was definitely built with touch in mind. Bit stupid when not everyone has or wants touch.

I am a Windows user. I have tried OSX and tried various Linix distros. I prefer Windows 8 to both those, but in terms of practicality Windows 8 is a step back in the office environment. Its as simple as that.

 

[cu3ed]

Just wondering how easy to use the windows 8 mobile is in terms of transferring files to the phone? Is plugging it into a pc like plugging in a usb stick and you can dump files onto it easily? And what type of video formats does it support if i wanted to transfer some family guy episodes to it for example? Currently on iphone 4 and want a change as ive been using iphones (original and 4) since 2007.

Yep, you connect the phone, If you have a password you'll have to type that in before itll allow you to "Explore" the memory, files will already be set up for you, Pictures, Movies, Music, the usual, think theirs a Documents one as well.

Not sure on specific file types, but, I dragged and dropped last seasons South Park onto mine, it said the phone would be able to play it back and I should convert them, fair enough, W8 converted them to the right format, play flawlessly on my phone and a small memory footprint as well.

Saying that, theirs bound to be a list of codecs about the net!.

 

[cu3ed]

> but in terms of practicality Windows 8 is a step back in the office environment. Its as simple as that.

No its not, and stop crying in this thread and for the love of god don't get a WP8 cause I don't want to hear about it, in fact, here's a really crazy off the wall idea, don't like it?....downgrade to W7.

Also, Start Menu is a relic form the days that Explorer wasn't that powerful, if you are having workflow related issues using W8, then you need to see what you are doing wrong, its deffo not a work flow problem from W8.

 

[Izi]

No its not, and stop crying in this thread and for the love of god don't get a WP8 cause I don't want to hear about it, in fact, here's a really crazy off the wall idea, don't like it?....downgrade to W7.

Also, Start Menu is a relic form the days that Explorer wasn't that powerful, if you are having workflow related issues using W8, then you need to see what you are doing wrong, its deffo not a work flow problem from W8.

I already have WP8, its great. Sorry what's your point? I didn't say W8 wasn't good on my phone, just sucks for my office environment where I develop apps using MS products!

The only thing which might change my mind is when I have it setup in a multi monitor scenario where I can dedicate one monitor just to Metro.

You are a blatant fanboy with comments like "Stop your crying" - just shows you have no come back. Whatever.

 

[soujisama]

The only two issues I have with W8 is that App, Settings and Files are separated and there are two control panels. The twin panels really throw me off. Other than those, everything is improved. You'll find your way around it after a while.

That said, I just got my white Lumia 920
Now creating auto-playlists from Windows Media Player, which I'll be using to sync until they fix that garbage Windows Phone app.

 

[Peew971]

Am I in the wrong thread?