Baroness Thatcher in Hospital
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Their views aren't clouded, how could they be if they lived through her reign? If anything your views will be clouded, they're based on bits and pieces of information and what the media paints as a picture of her nowadays.
They are based on fact and figures (and if course both positive and negative opinions) which are available to read.
Some people clearly have an axe to grind, generally those (or thise with family) she took a swing at and knocked off the gravy train. First hand viewpoints are invaluable sources of information but not always the best as they come with emotional tagging (be they positive or negative)
Living through something is the ultimate experience. How can you seriously say that you have a better view of something than people who actually experienced what it was like? I've read plenty about the German occupation of the Channel islands during WW2 but I'd never be stupid enough to say I can evaluate the impact of the occupation better than those who actually experienced it simply because I've read lots about it written by both islanders and the occupying forces.
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Living through something can offer a great viewpoint, but generally this is of an emotional aspect. Perhaps I midwirded what I was trying to say.
My point was that if I want a reasoned and impartial evaluation of an event I wouldn't ask someone who was emotionally involved. They can provide vital information and show aspects that someone from the outside cannot see but any information from them is (understandably) emotionally impacted in a positive or negative way.
I would also like to point out that those who are denigrating my view because I was not of the age to be fully involved in it. I would bet a large amount that the majority steaming in here to stick the boot in are probably young and just parroting what their elders said without having a clue what they are on about.
I won't shed a tear when she finally passes. I was at infant school when she took free milk from us. When I left school there were 3 million people unemployed and no jobs. I was forced into a YTS (Youth Training Scheme for you youngsters) where I worked for an entire year at a company for £10 per week on top of my benefit. At the end of my year there were no vacancies. Effectively, slave labour. Thanks Maggie, great job !
I joined the R.A.F. in the end and got a trade.
I joined the R.A.F. in the end and got a trade.
In your opening post you say she is a 'great' woman with 'backbone' yada yada. Isn't this itself based on 'emotion' and being taken in by one particular viewpoint? It is no doubt to do with her 'iron lady' image that you've read about and decided to believe.
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So, on the one hand you're right. Living through something is the ultimate experience, and will give you the best view of your social class, your city, and your families view of events, and to be fair, the impact upon you. It will also create a large amount of emotion however.
However, if you had three different people. In three different cities, from different social classes and a generally more diverse selection of people, you can see what all of their views are, and how it impacted on different people differently.
Personal experience is the ultimate viewpoint for a single perspective. Being able to view something from more than one account, arguably gives you a wider view however.
Both sides have their pros and cons. But that's exactly it. Each have different levels of usefulness from different views. Depending on what your ultimate aim is, will create desired samples.
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I'm not sure if I've missed something, but this just sounds like you had a bit of a rough time until you decided to look for a real job...
It is a viewpoint I have come to from my own reasoning. I've not been spoon fed it like many and their hatred. My father dislikes her, my grandfather hated her before he passed (though he was never do pathetic and low as some on here and wished death upon him) and I don't have any mates in my local area who don't hate her
so I bat against the grain on this. Of all the above though only my grandad would have a reasoned discussion the rest just spout propaganda they hear then repeat.
Couldn't have said it better (and I didn't
)Lol, no point in bothering with this.
Glad he made something of himself, that's the best you can do but a lot of people still have a chip on their shoulder despite doing well. It should be handed to you, you shouldn't have to work for it!
Seems like the not getting stuff for free and having to work incentive worked.
I wish I were as erudite and be able to elevate myself so highly...
Being there together with seeking other opinion is always a more rounded perspective than simply seeking other peoples perspective. Whilst emotion forms part of experience, you can't assume that people in being emotional can not be objective to marry experience to others experience. If you weren't there you can't add such richness to your perspective and to simply put it down to emotional bias is misguided. The people who wrote what you use to give you an opinion were also there, you are referring to their greater knowledge and then selectively choosing this to form an opinion.
Sadly you have missed something. Do you have any idea how hard it was leaving school in 1989 with 3 million people unemployed and no jobs to go for ? I worked my ass off in a YTS scheme and then later an Employment Training Scheme both of which yielded no job. Both of which were the governments way of manipulating the jobless figures and forcing people to work full time for a pittance. Then a number of semi-skilled jobs, each of which found me redundant as the factories closed. It was a tough time believe me.
I find your comment a little insulting. I was not born with a silver spoon up my ass. I've had to work very hard to get what I have now.
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