Will God accept you if you renounce religion?

estebanrey said:
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Again, science studies the laws that God set. How is this disproving God?
 
No1newts said:
Isn't there now a branch of physics which is trying to prove god via science?

I remember reading it in new scientist a while back iirc.
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There is some who think God (although by which definition?) can potentially be proven in Quantum Physics, I think, and correct me if I am wrong, based somewhat on the Observer Effect. I wouldn't mind reading that New Scientist article if you ever come across it again though.
 
Jason2 said:
You know, they often say people who hate gays are often gay themselves. Perhaps it is the same for atheists. They say they don't believe in God yet are always talking about him. I think our little atheist friends really do believe deep down.
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Yes, yes. Now run along to bed and prepare for santa clause. (A few days too late?)
 
If there is a god, my belief or faith in it would be entirely dependent on it's treatment and direction of us.
If a higher being required us to do what religions have practiced and continue to practice (suppression of technological & social advances, oppression of women, denial of the self, glorification of war for religious means) then it is not worthy of our faith or attention.
 
If you remove religion, man will only find something else to fight over thus its better to focus on the majority positive work they do globally rather than the minority negatives.
 
Castiel said:
There is some who think God (although by which definition?) can potentially be proven in Quantum Physics, I think, and correct me if I am wrong, based somewhat on the Observer Effect. I wouldn't mind reading that New Scientist article if you ever come across it again though.
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I'll try and search it out for you, I have it in the loft somewhere then hopefully the written version will direct me to a linkie :)
 
Religion, while not a culture in itself outside of the Vatican, has had a wide ranging effect on culture and the evolution of countries around the world. Not all of it is negative (buddhism in particular is not as dogmatic as the others and promotes real spiritual growth), but a lot of it has been.

suppression of technological advances: Suppression of Copernicus' work, burning at the stake of Giordano Bruno & Torture/imprisonment of Galileo for their scientific ideas/discoveries. Less of this now that the Church is not longer an authoritarian institution.

Suppression of social advances: The Vatican's stance on Condoms causing havoc with HIV in Africa, the censorship of many Muslim countries and the application of brutal sentences for minor crimes.

oppression of women: Where do I start?

Denial of the self: Less of an issue this but still resulting in fasting, Cilice, damaging the self to please a god

Glorification of war for religious means: Crusades, Jihads, all ruinous wars fought over ideology and possession of Holy Territory.

There are a lot more examples to be had.
 
So not religion then and certainly not all religion. You going to bring up stuff hundreds of years ago, ow about we bring up that religion was the main stay of early university and was the main investor in science and education.

Religion does not suppress science.

Not many Catholics don't wear conadoms, Catholics is also one religion. You also totally forget that not wearing condoms is not an issue, how come these people ignore one thing the Vatican say but not others.the Vatican says no sex outsider marriage and no sex with multiple pople. I thy follow all advice, HIV would not be an issue. But you seem to forget that. If they brek one rule and sleep about, break another. Africa and condoms is not a religiously issue, it is a cultural issue and is a problem outside of the religious communities as well.

Surpresion of religion is cultural not religion, same as many past things like wars and suppression of technology. Religion was used as an excuses.

Crusades was land/resource grabbing, again try to find the religion behind this and you can't. It's like blaming atheists for every modern conflict which wasn't realise based. As things like politics, wealth, WMD and other such things were sed as the rallying cry.

Find in the bible and other religiously texts where it says not to wear condoms, to suppress technology etc.it simply doesn't. And nothing you posted proves your stand point.
 
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I for one am on the Devils side, it was the Devil that gave humans critical thinking, which God didn't want. He wanted us not to eat from the tree of knowledge of what ever the hell so we could basically be thought slaves for eternity. The Devil did us a favour and turned the tables with a single conversation.

Also the Devil killed a grand total of 10 people in the bible, while God kills around 2.3 million.

The Devil understands human nature, but doesn't judge you for being human.

He accepts Gods unwanted children unconditionally.

And still he is thought of as the bad one? Why? Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector.

A Dark Knight.
 
Glaucus said:
Religion does not suppress science.
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That's the single most incorrect thing I think you have ever said on here. You don't need to look very hard to see that happening today, let alone in the decades and centuries that have passed.

hurfdurf said:
And still he is thought of as the bad one? Why? Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector.

A Dark Knight.
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As I was reading that in my head, I was thinking, 'Why am I reading this in Gary Oldman's voice?' :D

And then I saw it... A Dark Knight... 'Dun dun'
 
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