Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

[One]

That'll be the people that never bother paying for their OS anyway.

"It's just an OS, it doesn't DO anything. I still have to buy games and stuff, so why should I pay for that too?! It should be free!"

There's nothing to stop these people using Linux and I wish they would, it might make them realise that £25 is a bargain for a fully functioning OS that, as apple put it, just works.

 

[demonix]

as for Windows Update once it's set to automatic there's really no need to open Windows Update has it does it by itself... which I think that's what MS thinks most users will set it too

Except it's a real pain in the neck as it only checks for updates once every 24 hours, so if I start up my laptop at gone 9PM on one day and 8PM the next day it'd be likely that I'd have to check for updates manually (which I would need to since I'm using the inbuilt windows defender which has continual definition updates) and even if it does find more then the defender definitions available a majority of the time it'll only install the definitions and nothing else.

And don't get me started on the updates that require a restart as it takes one or more shut downs before shut down changes to shut down and update.

 

[mysticsniper]

Do as the1gooner and I have done.
Start upgrade process on 32 bit PC, goto a 64bit PC to obtain 64bit ISO/USB via email link. Take ISO/USB back to 32bit PC and install.

Why do you need to start the process on the 32bit pc? can you not just download the win8 from an 64bit machine, then take it to the 32 bit and install?

 

[gareth170]

You need to re-read my post.

I upgraded from Windows XP Home 32bit which installed the 32bit version of Windows 8.

I then loaded into Windows 7 64bit which is now on another hd to check my email and in there is a download link. Because my Windows 7 is 64bit this downloads the 64bit install version of Windows 8.

Once I had this saved to a usb stick I then installed from that to my ssd with the serial number contained within the email.

So I still have my Windows 7 retail license as that wasn't what I upgraded from.

Do you want me to draw you a picture?

no.

because you used your win7 64bit to get win8 64bit.

win xp home only comes in 32bit and even if there was a 64bit of xp home a 32bit xp key would not work on a 64bit xp os

upgrade version means u need a valid physical previous OS license.

so if u keep your win xp home 32bit license and sell your win7, your only licensed to run win8 pro 32bit.

if u keep your win 7 64bit, you'll be licensed to run win8 pro 64bit.

just because it activates doesn't mean your licensed.

 

[theheyes]

Except it's a real pain in the neck as it only checks for updates once every 24 hours

If you're on Windows 8 Pro you can configure the interval to every 1 hour via group policy.

 

[Infidelus]

There's nothing to stop these people using Linux and I wish they would, it might make them realise that £25 is a bargain for a fully functioning OS that, as apple put it, just works.

Ahh, but then they'd have to learn something new, and they don't want to do that. They just want the shiny new stuff without having to pay for it.

A friend of mine used to play Quake 2, and he played it A LOT. He never bought it though. He acquired it ..... elsewhere.

His argument:

"I bought Quake 1 and hardly played it at all, so I shouldn't have to pay for Quake 2".

His logic, not mine

 

[gareth170]

If you're on Windows 8 Pro you can configure the interval to every 1 hour via group policy.

ohhhh, I was too slow. u beat me to it.. haha

 

[FallshirmjAEger]

Random question, but when you're just sitting on the desktop view - if I were to start typing 'control panel' for instance, would it jump straight into search etc?

This would be a deal breaker for me, I'm becoming inherently lazy & I think the start screen would suit me more than the start menu currently does (i.e. I never use the all programs menu anymore, simply use the search or pin things etc)

 

[CaptainCrash]

no.

because you used your win7 64bit to get win8 64bit.

win xp home only comes in 32bit and even if there was a 64bit of xp home a 32bit xp key would not work on a 64bit xp os

upgrade version means u need a valid physical previous OS license.

so if u keep your win xp home 32bit license and sell your win7, your only licensed to run win8 pro 32bit.

if u keep your win 7 64bit, you'll be licensed to run win8 pro 64bit.

just because it activates doesn't mean your licensed.

Do you actually know this for a fact (link?) or is it just your opinion which you're passing off as a fact?

The upgrade advisor assumes you'll be running the same version (32-bit or 64-bit) and offers you the corresponding installation files, presumably to stop people getting into a muddle with in-place upgrades, but why does it follow that you're not licensed if you use the other version? Vista and 7 licences were valid for both 32-bit and 64-bit installs, even if only one version of the installation media was in the box; where does it say that Windows 8 is different?

 

[shuffle]

Random question, but when you're just sitting on the desktop view - if I were to start typing 'control panel' for instance, would it jump straight into search etc?

This would be a deal breaker for me, I'm becoming inherently lazy & I think the start screen would suit me more than the start menu currently does (i.e. I never use the all programs menu anymore, simply use the search or pin things etc)

No if you start typing it does not do that as far as im aware.
when in desktop mode, swipe to the right and the charm bar appears, select search and type in Control Panel and is showed in results. If you right click on Control Panel, you can then pin to Start screen.

 

[gareth170]

Do you actually know this for a fact (link?) or is it just your opinion which you're passing off as a fact?

The upgrade advisor assumes you'll be running the same version (32-bit or 64-bit) and offers you the corresponding installation files, presumably to stop people getting into a muddle with in-place upgrades, but why does it follow that you're not licensed if you use the other version? Vista and 7 licences were valid for both 32-bit and 64-bit installs, even if only one version of the installation media was in the box; where does it say that Windows 8 is different?

read what I said... win xp home only comes in 32bit . theres no win xp home 64bit. theres only win xp pro which is 64bit.

so if he keeps win xp home 32bit license and sell win7, his only licensed to run win8 pro 32bit.

if he keeps win 7 64bit, he'll be licensed to run win8 pro 64bit.

 

[CaptainCrash]

read what I said... win xp home only comes in 32bit . theres no win xp home 64bit. theres only win xp pro which is 64bit

I did read what you said. So what?

 

[gareth170]

I did read what you said. So what?

so if he keeps win xp home 32bit license and sell win7, his only licensed to run win8 pro 32bit. because theres no win xp home 64bit and his win xp home 32bit license won't be valid for win xp pro

if he keeps win 7 64bit, he'll be licensed to run win8 pro 64bit.

understand now..

it's simple but some people just want to ignore things like this to save money.

 

[Tomsk]

http://www.zdnet.com/the-ultimate-windows-8-upgrade-faq-7000006815/

About half way down the page...

I have a PC running 32-bit Windows XP Pro. It has a 64-bit processor, but after upgrading, I found the 32-bit version installed.

As you discovered, the Windows download from Microsoft matches the system from which you initiate the download. So if you purchase the download on a system running 32-bit Windows, your downloaded setup file will also be 32-bit.

But there’s an easy (and legal) way to get a 64-bit downloader, as long as you have access to a PC running any 64-bit version of Windows (including Windows 8).

 

[One]

Ahh, but then they'd have to learn something new, and they don't want to do that. They just want the shiny new stuff without having to pay for it.

A friend of mine used to play Quake 2, and he played it A LOT. He never bought it though. He acquired it ..... elsewhere.

His argument:

"I bought Quake 1 and hardly played it at all, so I shouldn't have to pay for Quake 2".

His logic, not mine

To be fair these companies do make shed loads of money so I'm sure they can afford to have (and indeed budget for) loss via piracy. Big supermarkets budget in amounts they expect to lose through shoplifting.

 

[theheyes]

Random question, but when you're just sitting on the desktop view - if I were to start typing 'control panel' for instance, would it jump straight into search etc?

It's just Win Key + start typing to search from the desktop.

 

[theheyes]

To be fair these companies do make shed loads of money so I'm sure they can afford to have (and indeed budget for) loss via piracy. Big supermarkets budget in amounts they expect to lose through shoplifting.

It still impacts the paying customer and so shouldn't be excused. It's little Johnny inventing his own purchasing logic that's partly to blame for DRM and other restrictions placed on the rest of us.

 

[CaptainCrash]

so if he keeps win xp home 32bit license and sell win7, his only licensed to run win8 pro 32bit.

if he keeps win 7 64bit, he'll be licensed to run win8 pro 64bit.

sigh... we're just going round in circles here.

His entitlement to an upgrade is based on his Windows XP licence. He *temporarily* used a Win7 x64 installation to obtain the alternative installation files via the upgrade advisor, now he is no longer using it, so he can sell it.

FWIW even Ed Bott agrees with me:

32-bit versus 64-bit

I have a PC running 32-bit Windows XP Pro. It has a 64-bit processor, but after upgrading, I found the 32-bit version installed.

As you discovered, the Windows download from Microsoft matches the system from which you initiate the download. So if you purchase the download on a system running 32-bit Windows, your downloaded setup file will also be 32-bit.

But there’s an easy (and legal) way to get a 64-bit downloader, as long as you have access to a PC running any 64-bit version of Windows (including Windows 8).

After you complete the purchase, you will receive an email confirmation that includes a product key and a download link. From a 64-bit PC, click that download link and enter the product key you received. The download will commence, and when it finishes, you will have a 64-bit Windows installer that you can save as an ISO or burn to bootable media.

How do I get to 64 bit from 32 bit Windows?

There is no way to upgrade from a 32-bit copy of Windows to 64-bit, or vice versa. You must backup your data, create bootable media, and do a clean install. After you’re done, you’ll need to reinstall your programs and restore your data.

edit: sorry Tomsk, I was late seeing your reply (too busy banging my head against a brick wall)...

 

[gareth170]

sigh... we're just going round in circles here.

His entitlement to an upgrade is based on his Windows XP licence. He *temporarily* used a Win7 x64 installation to obtain the alternative installation files via the upgrade advisor, now he is no longer using it, so he can sell it.

FWIW even Ed Bott agrees with me:

it says win xp PRO not HOME,

win xp PRO license covers both 32bit and 64bit

win xp home doesn't because theres NO win xp HOME 64bit..

the OP has win xp HOME not pro

understand.

 

[One]

It still impacts the paying customer and so shouldn't be excused. It's little Johnny inventing his own purchasing logic that's partly to blame for DRM and other restrictions placed on the rest of us.

I refuse to believe this. Plenty of distributors have challenged this idea that piracy is to blame for everything, look at the humble bundles, look at Radiohead's In Rainbows, look at Louis C.K. all making tremendous amounts of sales and profits using methods that go against the standard big corp style of thinking.