Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th December 2012 - 2nd January 2013]

He's turning into a Suarez where his quality is being shadowed by his gamesmanship.

MW

They have very different styles. When someone as quick as Bale get a slight knock it will take him off balance, also when going at that pace you do have to protect yourself to a certain extent. You stumble through one challenge at full pace then some other oaf will come in and finish you off.

Suarez's style is more like Messi which is a lot easier to remain on your feet. The other players are stationary and you are not using pace but trickery.

Both have a slightly undeserved reputation but in this day and age, how often do you see players that stay on their feet or at least try to, getting the foul.
 
In this case it was a dive, but I think at least two of his other yellows have been for fouls on him, IE they weren't dives. His reputation is starting to turn against him mostly from poor decisions. Difference is Suarez cheats all game long every game, he never once has kept quite and not harrassed the referee over almost every decision every single game since he joined. He's also dived almost every game since he joined, as always everything is measured in degree's, is someone who dives once as bad as someone who dives every game, are two players as bad as each other if they both dive 5 times a season, but one is a mouthy git who also tries to injure players throughout the season, complains about every decision and is a genuine grade A **** on the pitch every second, when the other guy does 5 dives and nothing else at all?

Suarez is the most prolific diver, the most prolific complainer, he consistently attempts to injure players and aside from just diving he also tries to create fouls more than any other player. You know the running up to a player grabbing his shirt, diving and pulling the player down on top of you trying to make it look like a foul. He is the most "complete" cheat the premier league has. Even if Bale was guilty of all the dives he's been carded for(he isn't, some though were dives), he still isn't everything else that Suarez is.

Suarez made Suarez a target not poor refereeing(good ref's would send him off almost every single game for dissent alone, let alone his intentional injury attempting fouls), Bale has been the victim of poor ref's as much as his own dives(50/50 probably).

I agree somewhat. However "good ref's would send him off every game", have to disagree - and with saying that, are there no good ref's in English football?
 
Watching that slow-mo replay on Sky you can actually see the knee go into the side of Bales leg and you see his knee bend inwards where there is clearly contact. At the pace that could well send you over. I'm not saying he hasn't dived before, but that was definitely contact which could send somebody over.
 
I agree somewhat. However "good ref's would send him off every game", have to disagree - and with saying that, are there no good ref's in English football?

Literally every game I've seen him play he complains about almost every single decision, he'll stand there screaming in the ref's and linesman's faces. He really should be done for dissent multiple times every game. The reality is, if ref's clamped down on him, they'd be doing him a favour, because he'd either get red's or stop complaining after the first yellows... it would happen in the first 30 mins of a game and he'd actually probably be forced to play football rather than complain, dive and cheat.

Rooney, Carroll complain a hell of a lot in most games as well, but they both cheat a hell of a lot less than Suarez apart from the complaining and neither of them are as bad(though Carroll isn't far off).

As for good ref's in english football, not really no, I don't respect ref's at all, they pick and choose as a group which rules to ignore, which to enforce, randomly come up with a new rule to clamp down on each year(which only goes to point out they weren't enforcing said rule the year before), their respect type campaigns while they get huge decisions wrong every game.

Ref's should be the ones campaigning for video replays, except they would have to admit they can't get every decision right without it. When Suarez complains about every decision, rather than giving the yellow for dissent 5 mins from time, give it 5 mins into the game and force him to play football. Same way a time wasting yellow is almost never given till the final 20 mins of a game even if the goalkeeper has been wasting the exact same amount of time at every goal/free kick since the start.

Almost all of them are terrible referee's, with zero consistency, inability to clamp down on the biggest problems in sport, and helping come up with ever worse offside rules.
 
More from Tottenham winger Gareth Bale:

"That's the third time now I've been clipped and booked for no reason again. There's nothing I can do, the referees need to look a bit closer. People think I'm diving when there's contact. If there's contact it's a penalty or free kick, there's nothing I can do. If there's contact, what do you want me to do - hit my head on the floor? I have to put my hands down to protect myself. If people kick me, I'm going to go down. It doesn't bother me, people keep saying I'm diving but it doesn't bother me whatsoever. It's a foul and I know it myself."

The thing is, he's been caught diving before so everyone now assumes every time he goes down he dives. It's a shame yellow cards can't be contested after looking at replays.

MW
 
I only saw the first half and listened to the rest on the radio.

Am glad for the win.

I will have to see Bale's booking before commenting but I have always said if there was contact then it isn't a dive (subject to the player not swerving to make contact before going over). Refs don't award pens for players who stay on their feet and then get surprised when players go over to get the pen from minimal contact that is still a foul. It is an area of the game that needs addressing along with shirt pulling and that stupid offside rule.

Bale now obviously has a league wide reputation and that is sad because I don't think it is warranted. No team likes to see opposition players look for pens but are quite happy to do it themselves. It is gamesmanship and it either needs to be accepted or wiped out.

Without wanting to target Suarez, he is a good example- he rightly got the pen for having his shirt pulled but only got it when he fell forward (which is an absurdity). That is a dive in that he could have easily stayed on his feet but the ref was doing nothing until he went down.
 
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