Child Benefit Cap

[Hades]

Yep, and you need to register for self assessment or pull out of CB all together. Extra bit of paperwork as the benefit actually gets paid then you pay it back through tax.

I realised this yesterday and promptly unregistered for child benefit. I assumed we would just stop receiving it but that's not the case. You still get it paid to you and then they claim it back in tax the following year. It's a nuts system. So I just unregistered for it.

 

[Energize]

There should be no child benefit full stop. If you want a child then pay for it, it's not as if the country/world is running low on population.

I agree that we should not throw money at people for having kids, which is what the government currently do while disabled people live in poverty on a meager £100 a week ESA benefit, but you can't let kids starve either even if it is the parents fault.

 

[Adam]

I'd rather not have he benefit but had more time with my boy when he was first born. 1 week full pay simply isn't enough. Compare this with Germany / Nordic who provide parents with support when the baby is born and you'll realise our system is inadequate. I will never get that time back with my son.

 

[estebanrey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20915213

Just listened to the clip. My flabber is well and truely gasted.

Wow where do you start......

It's not about need....

Yes it is.

...it's about what's right.

Yeah and that isn't expecting me, someone who earns a fraction of your husband's wage to subsidize your choice to reproduce just because I haven't yet contributed to the world's already over populated planet.

I think this is a very difficult and dangerous directive that happens if we start with child benefit.

Yeah, the well off may lose more free money they don't really need. Scary!

To me fundamentally there is an element of discrimination here.

Can't cover this better than the OP did....

What, discriminating against people who clearly don't need any help?

I'm contemplating starting my own petition to get me a wheelchair - it's discriminating I don't have one even if I can walk, hurrr!

If we dismantle this benefit, what about the other benefits that are currently universal regardless of income? They could then be looked at in a different way. Take State Education for example.

State Education isn't a benefit payment is it. Nor is the NHS or your GP which is also gives as an example.

Both are rights.

You've got children, I've got children.

Lame attempt at getting someone's acquiescence through shared commonality rather than making an argument based on rationale.

This is about children.

Oh your precious Rupert, Tarquin, Harry and Tabitha. This aint about children, it's about your irrational and unnecessary selfishness.

There are all sort of people in this country who are claiming benefits and filching the system, who don't really derserve it.

I know, I'm listening to one.

Nice way to tray and get the common man on your side by the way

I think it is morally outrageous to discriminate against my children.

Morally outrageous? So the 90% poorest not having to subsidise the children of parents of the 10% richest is on the same level as rape, murder and necrophilia is it? Go and ask hubby if you can borrow his gold credit card so you can buy yourself a sense of ******* perspective woman.

This is not about me! The money I've claimed from child benefit has always gone into a separate account and used specifically for my children

Which has saved you having to put your own money into your children (of which you have plenty of). So ultimately it is about you, unless your plan is refuse to spend any more money of your kids and just let them rot whilst telling them it's the government's fault.

You are mad because if this benefit is removed you will have less money to spend on yourself.

 

[Monkeynut]

Rather than giving the benefit to the parents the best thing to do for the child is surely to give the child direct assistance with regards to school means, after school clubs, school trips etc. That way, the child is getting all these experiences, and is out of the house for longer, meaning johnny benefit can do a full 9-5 job without claiming his kids will be on their own.

 

[MrMoonX]

There should be no child benefit full stop. If you want a child then pay for it, it's not as if the country/world is running low on population.

this is such a moronic thing to say, the population is ageing, we are actually having less babies now then 50 years ago, we will run out of people unless the birth rate increases.

Instead of child benefit and alternative is to just have state child care like some Scandinavian countries, its appalling how much under 5 child care costs, more people would be inclined to work if it was cheaper or free at the point of use. If you are on a low income there is no point in going to work if you have a child under 5. for example we pay £590 a month for 2.5 days of nursery

 

[Monkeynut]

this is such a moronic thing to say, the population is ageing, we are actually having less babies now then 50 years ago, we will run out of people unless the birth rate increases

But what you're suggesting is surely a pyramid scheme of more and more children to maintain the lifestyle of older people, and not sustainable.

 

[anything I don't mind]

sorry realized it more than two swear words.

 

[elmarko]

and why is this bad? Poor people will work and do what they can, trying to work their way up the ladder. Or face a life of poverty (this time with no free 52" TV or anything!)

Is a massive crime rate bad?.

If so then yes, it's bad.

but you can't let kids starve either even if it is the parents fault.

Exactly.

 

[estebanrey]

this is such a moronic thing to say, the population is ageing, we are actually having less babies now then 50 years ago, we will run out of people unless the birth rate increases.

Statistics would suggest otherwise....

Source: http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_pop/human_pop.html

 

[Nitefly]

Just listened to the clip. My flabber is well and truely gasted.

Wow where do you start......

I know, couldn't believe it!

 

[Jokester]

Statistics would suggest otherwise....

People in Asia won't pay taxes to fund our benefit system once we retire though.

 

[cymatty]

this is such a moronic thing to say, the population is ageing, we are actually having less babies now then 50 years ago, we will run out of people unless the birth rate increases.

The moronic thing to do it spend money that the government doesn't have to support people who makes the choice to have a child. Why is a child not like anything else, you chose it, you pay for it.

People in Asia won't pay taxes to fund our benefit system once we retire though.

They will if our immigration system lets them in to work and pay taxes.

 

[Ilikeitblackplease]

No benefits for anyone, its the only fair way

Work hard so you can support a family, dont have a family if you cant afford one.

Pretty simple really isn't it

The benefit system in this country is what is keeping this country out of deep recession. The money spent on benefits created jobs, as benefit claimants spend all there money.

 

[Ilikeitblackplease]

I realised this yesterday and promptly unregistered for child benefit. I assumed we would just stop receiving it but that's not the case. You still get it paid to you and then they claim it back in tax the following year. It's a nuts system. So I just unregistered for it.

its designed like that too stop people claiming it.

 

[Jokester]

They will if our immigration system lets them in to work and pay taxes.

That's going to go down well with the locals isn't it.

 

[cymatty]

The benefit system in this country is what is keeping this country out of deep recession. The money spent on benefits created jobs, as benefit claimants spend all there money.

I am sure the Government or corporations could use that money more wisely for capital investments that will have longer term benefits to the economy, rather that a benefit claimants weekly shop of booze fags and lottery tickets.

 

[estebanrey]

People in Asia won't pay taxes to fund our benefit system once we retire though.

1. ALL regions have a growth rate, none are expected to decline. Just because ours isn't as rapid as Asia's doesn't mean it still isn't going up (contrary to the claim I was replying to).

2. The increase in population in Asia also includes global migration which they predict will go up. With that part of the world (Asia) becoming the richest in the future and people's general tendency to go where the money is there will inevitably be a positive migration effect into Asia as proven by the diverse societies of current 1st world countries. It'll be the Chinese version of the Daily Mail's chance to moan about bloomin' immigrants.

 

[cymatty]

That's going to go down well with the locals isn't it.

If they want to come here to work then fine, I admit I was not a huge fan of immigration but after seeing my ex who had a masters from Oxford with a decent job struggle to stay in the country my mind has changed.

 

[Destination]

Any family where 1 parent alone earns over 50K clearly doesn't need, nay deserve the same help as, say, a single mother earning 20K.

Especially if the other parent is earning as well.

Benefits should be reserved for people who without them would actually struggle to live, not those who otherwise might not be able to go skiing every year.

Then the entire benefits system needs dumped in the bin.
The whole system needs to be started from scratch, and only start paying out to those who really need it, as your point seems to suggest this cap will help.

It is utter gubbins. 2 parenst earning 90 between them will still get ebenfits for as many children as they can bear, yet 1 parent hits the 50 mark and it goes. Its a stupid system, and as the taxman admitted today he hasn't written to 300000 people to tell them they might need to lose their child benefit. Worse the taxman doesn't know who they are, where they are from, if they are married, and if they are entitled.

The implemented system involves me next submission year, telling the taxman my wife shouldn't be paid child benefit anymore, and then actually paying back the bits he has paid HER inbetween times. What? Thats the way they thought to implement a cap. Utter madness.

I think all child benefit should be removed, remove it in the entirely, then adjust universal credit payments when they finally implement that to reflect life. Deciding to have 6 children should not entitle you to extra taxpayers money, when those contributing high taxes, actually paying for your children, don't have six children as they realise they can't afford them.

The child benefit cap and cut off should start with number of kids, and save money there, then move onto reducing amounts for higher earners.