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Next they will be putting some tax on food for skinny people.
Unemployed obese people - start losing weight or lose your benefits
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and just to add to my point about football being pushed, i walk in to the living room and my dads watching skysports news and theres a load of ex pro footballers harping on about needing grass roots investment !?.
im sorry you guys have a multi billion pound industry pay for it yourself and let other sports have a fair crack for a change.
im sorry you guys have a multi billion pound industry pay for it yourself and let other sports have a fair crack for a change.
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I thought the gov't were already going to try and tax it at the source i.e. VAT on cheese, minimum cost per unit of alcohol.
If they want to penalise the obese, it should work 2 ways though; penalise the size 0 / 2 models too, as they're a bad example on image too i.e. anorexia tendencies.
If they want to penalise the obese, it should work 2 ways though; penalise the size 0 / 2 models too, as they're a bad example on image too i.e. anorexia tendencies.
It's not picking on anyone, it's decreasing the financial support for people who are excusing themselves from employment because of their size and health. This implementation is for the people who eat too much and exercise too little, the same can be applied for people with poor numeracy and literacy skills who don't go to the lessons offered to help them.
Surely if they did implement this they would also take into account the unemployed individuals working history too?
I say this because they're clearly looking at this from the point of view of wanting to target those individuals who are long term unemployed obese people. Not the chap who has worked for his stockbrokers for 20 years and has put on a few pounds over that period but has just now lost his job. That would be totally unreasonable.
But for those who have been unemployed for a long period of time (where would we draw the line of assessment? 3 years? 5 years? 10?) and have put a lot of weight on due to poor diet, it seems logical to give them an opportunity to get out of that rut. And that opportunity should be a real opportunity with realistic ascertainable milestones to be set for each individual by their doctor for perhaps again over a considerable period of time. In the event they do not meet those targets despite the strength of support they have received, then you look into docking their benefits. I don't see anything unreasonable in such a proposal. We all know obesity leads to various different complex health issues, so we should tackle it if we can.
If there genuinely is a genetics issue then that should be taken into account and should be acknowledged by the system. Just like any other health or disability issue an individual may be unfortunate to have.
I say this because they're clearly looking at this from the point of view of wanting to target those individuals who are long term unemployed obese people. Not the chap who has worked for his stockbrokers for 20 years and has put on a few pounds over that period but has just now lost his job. That would be totally unreasonable.
But for those who have been unemployed for a long period of time (where would we draw the line of assessment? 3 years? 5 years? 10?) and have put a lot of weight on due to poor diet, it seems logical to give them an opportunity to get out of that rut. And that opportunity should be a real opportunity with realistic ascertainable milestones to be set for each individual by their doctor for perhaps again over a considerable period of time. In the event they do not meet those targets despite the strength of support they have received, then you look into docking their benefits. I don't see anything unreasonable in such a proposal. We all know obesity leads to various different complex health issues, so we should tackle it if we can.
If there genuinely is a genetics issue then that should be taken into account and should be acknowledged by the system. Just like any other health or disability issue an individual may be unfortunate to have.
LOL Kwerk
I guess the population must have magically inherited some genes that weren't present in previous generations.... in recent decades the % of obese and clinically obese people in the population has ballooned... is this really down to genetics rather than changes to diet and lifestyle compared with our grandparents generation (who didn't have as easy access to transport, microwave meals, fast food etc..)
You are always paying someone to prepare the food in some way, even if you buy a plain apple. It makes no sense to tax healthy food which is 2 of your 5 a day. It's just an immoral tax they charge using any pathetic excuse for it.
You mean genes. That have always existed to gorge when foods about, for when theirs hard times.
There's two big issues
1) we don't have a lean times, we have more money and cheap food compared to any other generation
2) our eating habits have changed, the advice is a BS and people. Are fooled by advertising which says low fat or some other nonce when it's packed full of refine carbs.
Put any one from several thousand years ago in a supermarket and they would be massive within weeks.
On top of all that we have selectively bread most fruit and veg to contain much high proportions of sugar in it, to make them taste nicer.
And fruit is seen as just as healthy as veg, when its packed full of sugar and fruit juice is even worse.
More veg, more protein, less carbs, less fruit and bare minimum of processed foods.
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They should go for the food makers, rather than the consumers.
Disagree on both, people should be allowed to sell and eat what they want.
However labelling and advertising should be much much stricter.
It's insane what they are allowed to get away with and it's not just the writing its the pictures that fool most people as well.
They should also look into reserch and restrict epidemiological data somehow, as you end up with daily fail saying everything cures and gives you cancer. Pretty much none of it back up with any clinical trials.
They also should not reduce health advice to lowest common denominator, and not base it on false reserch. Admit that the advice you've given out for years is at best dodgy and more likely wrong.
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but people often believe the blatant lies the food industry pedals through poor labelling and marketing. Half the stuff pedalled as healthy is full of rubbish and processed sugars etc. The food industry needs to stop selling rubbish that is addictive. Look at the high fructose corn syrup debate in the USA, that stuff is like legal crack and actually has an effect on the body that changes your metabolism so you store more fat, known as the "fat switch"
The government also dont help, wasnt it in the 80s when we were all supposed to drink lots of milk and eggs because they are so good for you, oh yes milk from a cow, pumped full of hormones is great for your body
bread with gelatine and sugar in it, wtf
imo you cant persecute fat people unless you take down the food giants who have been poisoning the population for decades, whilst governments have been subsidising bad foods. In the US they actually subsidise farmers to grow corn for high fructose corn syrup, madness!
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Still shouldn't ban them from selling it, as I said there should be much stricter laws on packaging, labelling and advertising.
There should be extremely strict and regulated logos/schemes.
And packaging should not be allowed to be misleading. Eggs is a good example, pretty free ranged chicken picture, with small righting, barn growen chickens.
I don't think it is need or indeed is a good idea, to ban food, or put restrictions on content.
Put a fat restriction on, does that mean I can no longer buy naturally grown pork belly.
That is far better than some processed crap, with low fat and high refined carbs.
There should be extremely strict and regulated logos/schemes.
And packaging should not be allowed to be misleading. Eggs is a good example, pretty free ranged chicken picture, with small righting, barn growen chickens.
I don't think it is need or indeed is a good idea, to ban food, or put restrictions on content.
Put a fat restriction on, does that mean I can no longer buy naturally grown pork belly.
That is far better than some processed crap, with low fat and high refined carbs.
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Go shopping and see what they sell, see the crap in cheap foods. i see all types of crap put into bread that's why I no longer buy bread, i used to buy fruit juices and squash but now its full of crap so now we only have water at home. Sacla pasta sauce never used to have added sugar now they do, then it was changed to fructose, so hence now i do not buy it.
Look at yoghurt's, they add sugar to them now, its becoming harder to find foods that do not contain sugar, foods that i used to buy now contain added sugar corn syrup. My weekly shopping list has got smaller and smaller over the years.
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Sould also look at 100% grass fed, vs grain fed meat.
Grain feed destroys omega 3 levels, even grass fed with a week finish on grain destroys omega 3 levels.
As they say crap in crap out, but it's so hard to change the way you eat.
Some where to start
http://www.mercola.com/beef/omega3_oil.htm
I'm finding hard to find naturally bread meat. Intact I've only found one. But they are out of stock. They only raise livestock in the summer and have none over the winter, meaning they need no additional feed.
Trying to find unpasturised and Untampered with milk/butter is also extremely hard.
Grain feed destroys omega 3 levels, even grass fed with a week finish on grain destroys omega 3 levels.
As they say crap in crap out, but it's so hard to change the way you eat.
Some where to start
http://www.mercola.com/beef/omega3_oil.htm
I'm finding hard to find naturally bread meat. Intact I've only found one. But they are out of stock. They only raise livestock in the summer and have none over the winter, meaning they need no additional feed.
Trying to find unpasturised and Untampered with milk/butter is also extremely hard.
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Try calling up one on the list that is local to you http://www.cheesemaking.co.uk/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?page=approvedpurchasers.html&cart_id=15393_2958 I use the company for cheese making supplies.
yes, exactly my point...
The obesity issue in recent years is mostly a result of lifestyle.... to argue that being anti-fat is somehow racist is ridicules.
Racist is the wrong word, but then racist has sort of turned into a far more general term. He's also right in what he's trying to say.
I wouldn't say he is tbh... its something people can have a level of control over... skin colour/race isn't and is purely down to your genes. Being fat, while more likely for some than others, is still down to lifestyle.