Control has nothing to do with it, why is it acceptable to be an arse towards that group?
Unemployed obese people - start losing weight or lose your benefits
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Control has nothing to do with it, why is it acceptable to be an arse towards that group?
Its not necessarily, in the same way that it isn't necessarily acceptable to be an arse towards someone with an alcohol or drug addiction etc... these are things that some people are more likely to fall victim to but which do have an element of control/choice involved too.
Point is that its not the same as racism.
Also it depends what you mean by 'being an arse' - I don't see an issue with incentives being used to try to prevent these conditions... I don't see a problem with an alcoholic being a lower priority for a liver transplant than a non alcoholic or a fat person being told to lose weight, being offered help to lose weight and being told they're not able to have a particular treatment until they do so.
Liver transplant is very much different. You are destroying a very rare donation, that many people need.
Un-targeted mass benefit restrictions is something massively different.
It's not even targeting people that are unable to get a job through weight problems. Which can probably be counted on two hands in the uk.
It's just mass targeting anyone, using a system that is known to be rubbish (BMI)
And he wasn't even specifically talking about the scheme, but about the general comments on these forums and in the public/media.
It's not even getting to the route course and I somewhat disagree its life style. Exercise can not burn huge amounts of energy, it isn't good for getting rid of cravings etc.
You need decent advice/education, combined with decent labelling. That should be their number one priority.
Un-targeted mass benefit restrictions is something massively different.
It's not even targeting people that are unable to get a job through weight problems. Which can probably be counted on two hands in the uk.
It's just mass targeting anyone, using a system that is known to be rubbish (BMI)
And he wasn't even specifically talking about the scheme, but about the general comments on these forums and in the public/media.
It's not even getting to the route course and I somewhat disagree its life style. Exercise can not burn huge amounts of energy, it isn't good for getting rid of cravings etc.
You need decent advice/education, combined with decent labelling. That should be their number one priority.
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its still discrimination though
its not always down to the person, im pretty sure the rubbish in our food chain isnt helping
He didn't really state what he was referring to, if it was just some random general comment on fat people in the media then its a bit irrelevant to me anyway...
I think we can quite easily see the flaws in the scheme, but I don't see an issue with the general principle that someone being supported by the rest of society should be encouraged to live healthily. There could be any number of ways of implementing this sort of thing in the form of incentives/disincentives... If someone is already a burden on society and is potentially going to become an even bigger burden then attempting to influence them towards living a bit more healthily isn't a bad thing.
While not feasible now perhaps some smart card benefits scheme whereby fruit and veg is further subsidised and junk food penalised etc...
Because they're defined as a group as a result of being obese, a scheme to target obesity being aimed at people who are obese isn't necessarily an issue. Some people might well need more help than others...
I don't see an issue with encouraging healthy eating in general and aiming more direct incentives/penalties at people with larger problems than most.
Likewise I don't see an issue with certain measure being taken re: alcohol in general and some measures specifically targeting alcoholics.
+1
They being singled out because the thing that they're doing is wrong and they need to stop doing it. Why should our tax be used to allow someone to survive to then have a greater probability of costing us even more in the long run.
It's a simple mathematical equation, genetics doesn't come into it.
Calories in = Calories out.
If not then weight either increases or decreases.
By eating fewer calories than you use you CANNOT put on weight. It's physics! Genetically some people are more inclined to eat. Well i'm afraid to say it but these people (i'm one of them) need to learn self control and to do exercise (I did, that's why I still fit into size 34 pants).
I think the government should make all shops and restaurants close on fridays and everyone has to do a 24 hour fast. If you get caught eating or drinking anything of caloric significance you get fined 100 pounds.
We can call it 'fast friday'.
We can call it 'fast friday'.
so you're saying a biological process is "physics"
sorry but that bit alone makes your whole argument invalid genetics does come into as some people have a different Basic metabolic rate, based on genetics
so you're saying a biological process is "physics"
genetics does come into as some people have a different Basic metabolic rate, based on genetics
It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. The conservation of energy is a physical law.
so you're saying a biological process is "physics"
genetics does come into as some people have a different Basic metabolic rate, based on genetics
Every biological process is a physical one. Might I recommend you go back to school if you fail to grasp this.
so you're saying a biological process is "physics"
genetics does come into as some people have a different Basic metabolic rate, based on genetics
Fail
And it's always hilarious how fat and stupid people try and justify and make excuses for it. I bet less than .1% of fat people truly have a medical issue. Yet when you read these type of threads or the comment sections on BBC's site, it's just excuses excuses excuses. Everyone suddenly have a medical condition or biological reason why they can't lose weight.
Pathetic with no willpower . The lot of them. Won't be long before lack of willpower or discipline would also be recognised as a medical disease.
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How do you know it isn't? A lack of willpower may be caused by psychological problems in the first place.
This is typical 'I'm alright Jack so everyone else should be' mentality.
so you're saying a biological process is "physics"
genetics does come into as some people have a different Basic metabolic rate, based on genetics
The first person to categorically prove its not "calories in - calories out = weight difference" stands to win the noble prize in physics, chemistry and biology combined. Or possible a mathematics field medal depending on how it was done.
Perhaps, but as always, it's more than likely caused by a complete inability to take responsibility for self and rather seek excuses or place blame elsewhere. Is it any wonder the government is thinking about stepping in? Clearly it's gotten to a point where people can't be trusted to do it for themselves any more.
And of course the government are ever so trustworthy ...... not.