AMD Radeon 8000 Announced at CES

[spoffle]

It reminds me of the 8800GTS-9800GTX iirc, they were essentialy the same cards but with a small rehash.

Have AMD swapped building with Nvidia?

Well it's different because the 9800GTX wasn't an OEM part, it was in the retail channel.

It's the G92 GPU basically, which was in the 8800GT, 8800GTS 512MB, 9800GTX, and the GTS250.

Which were all retail parts available for people to buy. So some people really did buy a 9800GTX thinking it was a big upgrade on an 8800 series card.

The onus should have been on them to know what they were buying of course, but still it's not the same situation.

 

[bru]

8000 series cards in oem machines running windows 8.

Probably the buying public will associate the 7 series with Windows 7.

If you are buying a computer running Windows 8 and it has an 8 series graphics card then it kind of helps I imagine.

Now that does make sense, anything to help sell OEM computers.
I suppose just like Microsoft when they thought about naming the Xbox 360, can you imagine how it would have sold up against the Playstation 3 if they had of called it Xbox 2.

 

[LtMatt]

I've invited Thracks and a UK guy to come to these very forums to help with AMD enquiries simply because I am spending less time on the forums due to being so busy.

Great thanks. Did he reply? I asked him a few days back but never got a response.

 

[LtMatt]

8000 series cards in oem machines running windows 8.

Probably the buying public will associate the 7 series with Windows 7.

If you are buying a computer running Windows 8 and it has an 8 series graphics card then it kind of helps I imagine.

I love Pink Floyd but that just makes no sense sorry.

Actually that makes perfect sense to me.

People who don't know anything about it do sometimes connect these sort of dots.

Now that does make sense, anything to help sell OEM computers.
I suppose just like Microsoft when they thought about naming the Xbox 360, can you imagine how it would have sold up against the Playstation 3 if they had of called it Xbox 2.

That does make sense to me as well.

EDIT

Sorry for the double post.

 

[Jokester]

AMD do an Nvidia?

Bad times.

 

[panyan]

8000 series cards in oem machines running windows 8.

Probably the buying public will associate the 7 series with Windows 7.

If you are buying a computer running Windows 8 and it has an 8 series graphics card then it kind of helps I imagine.

sounds plausible to me

 

[-VK-]

So as Gibbo mentioned, there's going to be a couple of us (AMD'ers) looking over the forums and answering queries.

This one's pretty much as someone above copied from Thracks other post. It's not a case of trying to mislead anyone, but offering a response to our customer base. The "8000" from CES is an OEM part, based on the current 7000 series and won't see the traditional channel (So you wont be able to buy an 8970 this month, for example!)

That differs from the 9800 GTX / 8800GT / 8800GTX etc as they were available in the channel as numerous names.

 

[Jokester]

Punters will still be able to buy PCs with them in though.

 

[Drizmod]

So as Gibbo mentioned, there's going to be a couple of us (AMD'ers) looking over the forums and answering queries.

This one's pretty much as someone above copied from Thracks other post. It's not a case of trying to mislead anyone, but offering a response to our customer base. The "8000" from CES is an OEM part, based on the current 7000 series and won't see the traditional channel (So you wont be able to buy an 8970 this month, for example!)

That differs from the 9800 GTX / 8800GT / 8800GTX etc as they were available in the channel as numerous names.

People that are buying the PCs will think they have a brand new 8 series card when its still just the same old 7 series so it is designed to mislead the customers

 

[LtMatt]

People that are buying the PCs will think they have a brand new 8 series card when its still just the same old 7 series so it is designed to mislead the customers

Unless they are a lot more expensive what difference does it make what they do with the digits. The 7 series (soon to be renamed 8 series for pc world customers only ) still kicks serious ass and the 7970 is still the fastest gpu around.

 

[-VK-]

I guess it's the choice of a different naming scheme for a difference audience. It's not something I can give a categoric answer on really (Whoever made the decision is way above my pay grade).

It is something we see all over the place though, if we take cars as an example - Look at the Aston Martin Cygnet vs the Toyota IQ or Aygo for example. Essentially the same thing, with a different name for a different audience.

 

[Nickjf20]

It is something we see all over the place though, if we take cars as an example - Look at the Aston Martin Cygnet vs the Toyota IQ or Aygo for example. Essentially the same thing, with a different name for a different audience.

Don't really think comparing the cygnet to the IQ is a fair comparison

The cygnet caters for a completely different clientèle because of the Aston cabin and experience. It doesn't pretend to be something it's not. The 8970 has a different name and nothing else and is purely done so to make people 'believe' it is better when there is no substance behind the claim.

As far as I see it, the 8970 is plain misleading. The Cygnet was necessary for Aston to produce ... the 8XXX OEM are purely made to snatch money from the less aware

 

[-VK-]

Fair enough - Perhaps a bad example, I was just trying to demonstrate that items that are sometimes very similar, or identical in nature, can service two different audiences.

Not sure the purpose of adjusting my name in the quote, I post here personally and not "officially" in any sense.

 

[spoffle]

Fair enough - Perhaps a bad example, I was just trying to demonstrate that items that are sometimes very similar, or identical in nature, can service two different audiences.

Not sure the purpose of adjusting my name in the quote, I post here personally and not "officially" in any sense.

Yeah, it was a bit cheap.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Fair enough - Perhaps a bad example, I was just trying to demonstrate that items that are sometimes very similar, or identical in nature, can service two different audiences.

Not sure the purpose of adjusting my name in the quote, I post here personally and not "officially" in any sense.

You work for AMD??

 

[Cooners]

I don't think this is right myself. Somebody could see a machine with a 8970 for more money than a machine with a 7970 and pay the extra believing there getting a better card when there not and you bet the salesman won't tell them It's the same card if asked (in fact if I get a chance I'll nip in pc world and test that theory if there selling 8970's), I'm amazed trading standards allow this, very disappointed with AMD.

 

[panyan]

I don't think this is right myself. Somebody could see a machine with a 8970 for more money than a machine with a 7970 and pay the extra believing there getting a better card when there not and you bet the salesman won't tell them It's the same card if asked (in fact if I get a chance I'll nip in pc world and test that theory if there selling 8970's), I'm amazed trading standards allow this, very disappointed with AMD.

There are thousands of products for sale (not just pc related) that are rebranded versions of the same thing aimed at different markets.

 

[LtMatt]

I don't think this is right myself. Somebody could see a machine with a 8970 for more money than a machine with a 7970 and pay the extra believing there getting a better card when there not and you bet the salesman won't tell them It's the same card if asked (in fact if I get a chance I'll nip in pc world and test that theory if there selling 8970's), I'm amazed trading standards allow this, very disappointed with AMD.

I personally will never buy another AMD product until they change their practices and write me a personal letter of apology.

 

[-VK-]

I don't think this is right myself. Somebody could see a machine with a 8970 for more money than a machine with a 7970 and pay the extra believing there getting a better card when there not and you bet the salesman won't tell them It's the same card if asked (in fact if I get a chance I'll nip in pc world and test that theory if there selling 8970's), I'm amazed trading standards allow this, very disappointed with AMD.

But - And this is the important part, is that there shouldn't be the possibility that this happens. With the way that the retailers buy in cycles, they shouldn't have a "7970" and an "8970" PC on the shelf at the same time. If by some strange scenario they do, and that PC shop decides to put a mark up on that, who would be in the wrong?

AMD haven't been underhanded by it (It's clear on the website link someone pasted earlier in the thread) and in the media. If they'd tried to usher in a "new" product as something old, then that would be a bit sketchy.

 

[Nickjf20]

Fair enough - Perhaps a bad example, I was just trying to demonstrate that items that are sometimes very similar, or identical in nature, can service two different audiences.

Not sure the purpose of adjusting my name in the quote, I post here personally and not "officially" in any sense.

Sorry about that - I copied the quote manually and couldn't remember your name so just put that

AMD are struggling, so if their largest customers demand something, why wouldn't they cater for it? In the long run though, I really don't think it'll benefit you when your retail market becomes disheartened by morally grey marketing tactics

With the way that the retailers buy in cycles, they shouldn't have a "7970" and an "8970" PC on the shelf at the same time. If by some strange scenario they do, and that PC shop decides to put a mark up on that, who would be in the wrong?

So when people read reviews of what the /real/ (sea islands) 8970 can do, happily skip down to the shops and buy the latest and greatest only to find they've bought a last generation part with the same name as the new part, what then?

Surely you'll not name the Sea Islands in the same way?