Guardiola - Bayern Munich manager!

Gilly said:
Well, yes, because it didn't make sense.

You don't think they're a stop gap and you like where this is going?

I hadn't heard this about a secret meeting either.
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Guardiola goes off to Bayern on an open-ended basis, gains a bit more experience, probably wins a few more titles, Fergie calls it quits and gives him the reins a few years down the line.

I don't think it's fair to call it a stopgap because that comes with negative connotations when he's clearly going there because he wants to. But it still keeps him available for United. :D

As for the "secret" meeting, it was in all the papers at the weekend. It was organised under the LMA banner.
 
Robbo said:
Based on what he's won.

However, he won that with arguably the best club side of all time and the best player of all time. He might turn out to be fairly average!
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Exactly.

Anyone that had the working relationship already in place could have won the trophies he did!

He knew the players, their training regime, their dietary requirements, etc...
 
It's going to be very interesting to see how he does, but Bayern have a good philosophy about their team and a very stable management structure so it's a good fit.

Speaking of Barca managers, Rijkaard got sacked today, funnily enough.
 
Another manager in the vein of Jose, take over a club at its peak.... Bayern are completely demolishing the league, Dortmund have gone way off the boil, losing a couple players(though getting one back this window). All he has to do is not screw up, which is pretty much all Jose has had to do anywhere.

I would have much prefered to see Guardiola take on a team that needed work, rather than maintainance, but then why would any manager do that given the choice.

He may be the best manager to ever live, but personally I can't stand the plaudits and adulation when someone takes over a top team/squad and simply continue to win.

Jose/Guardiola would prove so much if they took a Spurs/Arsenal/Malaga/AC type team/squad and improved them, rather than take a clearly dominant team and continue to dominate.

This season currently, Bayern have almost a third more points than their closest rival(42 vs 33), the two closest rivals have both basically conceded three times as many goal and they've scored a third more than their closest rivals.

For instance I think while a lot of managers could improve Arsenal a little, would clear out the dead wood easily and maybe improve us, it would take a pretty good manager to fight against Chelsea and likely City with a better manager in the future. A average manager could probably still win titles with Barca, ultimately you tell everyone to keep doing what they've been doing. The same manager that could win a title with a prebuilt Barca, might fail badly at a club like Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea that needs rebuilding.

The most interesting thing will be, based on previous "issues" he's had with strong personalities and difficult players, how he might cope at places other than Barcelona. Sure its only Ibra's view but it paints a picture of a timid man that works well in an atmosphere at Barca where the players are pretty quiet/respectful types with no real ego's/problems at all. He supposedly refused to talk to Ibra and at least by Ibra's description came across as a many completely unable to deal with anything but the best behaved players. Maybe he'll show us something brilliant, I just wanted to see him take a bigger job and see what he can do building a team himself.
 
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Will be interesting to see how he does but as DM as said he is just side stepping into another top team that has quality all over the pitch and outside of Dortmund and Schalke won't be threatened.

I think that he really should have gone to AC Milan or somewhere. He shouldn't have to go and manage in the lower leagues to prove his worth but a team like AC who need rebuilding but have an already great history.
 
Do you really think Guardiola cares what people think though? If I had the choice of two jobs, one was prestigious and easy and the other was a PITA then it'd be a no brainer. The media already love him and I doubt he's interested in pleasing people on the internet.

Everyone gives him stick but we'd all do exactly the same.
 
People seem to forget that he cleared out a lot of dead wood and brought through a lot of players from the youth team. I think he's an excellent manager and wish him all the best. His biggest challenge will be getting Robben to not cut inside EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Another manager in the vein of Jose, take over a club at its peak.... Bayern are completely demolishing the league, Dortmund have gone way off the boil, losing a couple players(though getting one back this window). All he has to do is not screw up, which is pretty much all Jose has had to do anywhere.

I would have much prefered to see Guardiola take on a team that needed work, rather than maintainance, but then why would any manager do that given the choice.

He may be the best manager to ever live, but personally I can't stand the plaudits and adulation when someone takes over a top team/squad and simply continue to win.

Jose/Guardiola would prove so much if they took a Spurs/Arsenal/Malaga/AC type team/squad and improved them, rather than take a clearly dominant team and continue to dominate.

This season currently, Bayern have almost a third more points than their closest rival(42 vs 33), the two closest rivals have both basically conceded three times as many goal and they've scored a third more than their closest rivals.

For instance I think while a lot of managers could improve Arsenal a little, would clear out the dead wood easily and maybe improve us, it would take a pretty good manager to fight against Chelsea and likely City with a better manager in the future. A average manager could probably still win titles with Barca, ultimately you tell everyone to keep doing what they've been doing. The same manager that could win a title with a prebuilt Barca, might fail badly at a club like Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea that needs rebuilding.

The most interesting thing will be, based on previous "issues" he's had with strong personalities and difficult players, how he might cope at places other than Barcelona. Sure its only Ibra's view but it paints a picture of a timid man that works well in an atmosphere at Barca where the players are pretty quiet/respectful types with no real ego's/problems at all. He supposedly refused to talk to Ibra and at least by Ibra's description came across as a many completely unable to deal with anything but the best behaved players. Maybe he'll show us something brilliant, I just wanted to see him take a bigger job and see what he can do building a team himself.
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well said, Guardiola took the easy route
 
Makes me laugh when people talk about Guardiola & Barcelona, the way some carry on you'd think they had stormed the league and won the CL the year before he took over and not came 3rd in La Liga and got beat by Man U in the Champions league.

As for not beaing able to deal with big ego's, Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto..all with huuuge ego's that he managed to deal with just fine.
 
I dont understand why fans of English clubs think that these big name players and managers have a burning desire to play or manager in the PL.

Bayern Munich or Chelsea, Manchester united or the Bitters.

Ummmmm.......
 
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