BMW and M Power Owners

I had to wait a month to test drive the M135i. They had to borrow it from BMW's demonstrator fleet.

What spec did you go for ? I have only driven an auto one but thought it suited the auto box very well despite not being a huge fan of autos. Autocar recorded a 0-60 of 4.6 seconds two up with a full tank of fuel which is amazing performance for a hot hatch.
 
What spec did you go for ? I have only driven an auto one but thought it suited the auto box very well despite not being a huge fan of autos. Autocar recorded a 0-60 of 4.6 seconds two up with a full tank of fuel which is amazing performance for a hot hatch.

I went for the Sports Auto Transmission. In an ideal world I would have test driven a manual but I too thought the Auto suited the car well. I'm not convinced a manual would be best suited to the character of the engine. The peak torque kicks in at something like 1250rpm and from that point onwards the acceleration is absolutely bonkers regardless of what gear you're in.

For me it was a clear winner. Rapid and during the sensible run of my test drive I got 37mpg and that route involved both a dual carriageway and urban driving with traffic lights/congestion.

(23mpg on the same route when NOT driving sensibly though :D)
 
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I'm not convinced a manual would be best suited to the character of the engine. The peak torque kicks in at something like 1250rpm and from that point onwards the acceleration is absolutely bonkers regardless of what gear you're in.

When I drove manual and auto 335i I felt that actually the manual was a bit better suited simply because it offered a natural break in the wall of acceleration. The auto was a bit push pedal do 100mph stop accelerating, whereas at least changing gear added a bit of interaction. Which is why I bought the manual.

Just amazing engine though. I would imagine the N55 is similar.
 
[TW]Fox;23580259 said:
The auto was a bit push pedal do 100mph stop accelerating, whereas at least changing gear added a bit of interaction. Which is why I bought the manual.

It's funny you say that. Obviously you are aware I have limited experience driving performance cars, but the thought did cross my mind during the test drive that it was so fast it almost takes the fun out of it. I remember pulling onto the DC doing 40mph, flooring it and then suddenly realising I was doing silly speed a few seconds later. As awesome as that is, it made me feel a bit sad to think back over the years where I've thrashed what I've been driving and had to work hard through the gears to extract every last drop of performance!

I guess that is a standard reaction for a lot of people who drive something properly fast on public roads for the first time. :D
 
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How is the manual version? I don't no whether to go for the auto or not. I would like to test drive both and see what I think to be honest. Not test driving one until I'm ready to buy though.

I think its great, allows a bit more control when car is sideways in snow and ice :), but there are many many people who rate the auto box, I guess I'm a die-hard in that respect thinking manual hot hatch is the way to go.

But again due to it being my money and at the limit of my budget, I had genuine reasons not to spec that £1500 pound option as well as a lot of other stuff that would have been std fit on other marques, guess again I'm not really used to the BMW / AUDI extorsion process when buying new.

A lot of people state "you must get this" when ordering cars, other "must haves" appear to be the adaptive damping.

I stuck with what I thought was the true essense of this car which is a big engined small refined practical hatch, i specced the adaptive lights, parking sensors, lumbar support, cruise and a black panel display option.and secured a deal for under £30k

If I needed/wanted every concievable extra it becomes a 38K proposition before negotiating discount.

I would urge you to try a manual and an auto as you intend, but also try with and without the adaptive suspension option, had interesting cars in the past and with some of them the excitement wore off pretty quickly, this one seems to have a bit more to it
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WZIp4ftTshk

watch my friend's drive his nick name is tevzvi trasnlated as Fish :D

Georgia. Tbilisi old M5

Spotted somewhere else:

The last comment posted by the uploader:
"Need4drive 13 hours ago

Congratulations, Driver(Giorgi Tevzadze) DOES NOT HAVE DRIVERS LICENSE ANY MORE, Beacause somebody(Not Georgian, and not Russian) call Georgian Police with complaint on these video!!! Congratulations, YOU DIRTY INFORMER!"

What a fantastic way to end my lunch.

Sensational.

lol.
 
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[TW]Fox;23564044 said:
HP doesn't have a mileage limit and the final payment is typically very small. As a result you will find it no cheaper -infact its usually more expensive because traditionally the APR will be higher - than a bank loan. If you have found a product where the monthly payments are lower but there is a significant 'Optional Final Payment' then this is a PCP product (BMW call it 'Select').

Essentially, you rent the car from BMW -it isn't your car. At the end of the agreement you simply hand the car back and walk away with nothing to show for it, or alternatively you can purchase the vehicle by paying the Optional Final Payment, which you could also finance if you wanted. PCP agreements will have mileage limits because the deal is structured based on how much the car is worth to the lender at the end of the agreement, and the mileage directly affects this.

I'm going to be a bit controversial here but IMHO the entire point in a PCP is to enable people to buy cars they couldn't otherwise afford. IMHO it's not a sensible way to buy the car, you end up swapping short term higher expenses for a solution that, over the longer term, is more expensive.

With HP the lender again owns the car until you make the final payment, but there is no big payment at the end and the final payment is similar to your normal monthly payments. Once you've made the last payment you then own the car. But you may as well borrow from the bank unless you get a killer rate on a HP - then its your car and the monthly payments are no different. However, one thing HP offers you that a bank loan doesn't is the ability to borrow huge amounts of money with a crappy credit rating. As the lending is secured on the car its more secure for the lender than a bank loan therefore they are more inclined to offer credit to people who shouldn't be buying expen.. no err, people with lower credit ratings :p

If you want to borrow money to buy a car it is my opinion that the best way to do this is to get as much deposit as you can and use a bank loan to pay the rest. That way its your carf and you are not simply driving around in somebody elses car just so you can keep the monthly payments at a level you can afford. This is just my opinion and I'm sure I'll get flamed by a bunch of PCP holders who strongly disagree with me, but hey :p

Sometimes there are exceptions. Some dealers/manufacturers will offer 0% or a low APR on some of these products in order to shift cars which otherwise are not selling, or in order to get rid of a load of new stock safe in the knowledge it'll come back in 2 years as quality used stock they can then re-sell. But make sure you do a full analysis on the total ownership costs of any of these deals and don't forget - dealers will quote you FLAT RATE to make it seem good value. Ignore flat rate. APR is the only rate that matters and is typically about twice the flat rate.

Totally agreed [on that] -- however there ARE some exceptions. In my case I haven't totally ruled out BMW finance, even tho I placed the order planning to pay cash.
The price of the finance needs to factor the amount of interests I would save on my offset mortgage by keeping the money in my (offset) savings, as they are now. When I do this calculation, the credit costs me 1200. Given that the garage gives me 500 if I take the finance (part of the their commission) the finance costs becomes near negligible.

Another interesting point is that since the car is the finance company's property, if you have recurring problems with your 'brand new car' (ie, got a lemon) you can use THEM to pressure BMW. I don't know any worse feeling that having the "friendly salepeople" stop returning your calls after you paid 40k and became a "annoying customer".

So, in my case. I might take the finance for a few months, then pay it off in one go a bit later (and pay the £100 penalty, and the interests I paid in the previous months) -- more or less as a 'lemon insurance'. However I'm still not entirely sure I'll do it, I still have a month+ to wait, my car arrives week 10!
 
[TW]Fox;23578554 said:
It isn't just software, its hardware too including a nicer screen. I agree that at £2k it seems like poor value but it isn't £2k really, it's £2k minus whatever you get back for it come resale time which may or may not be £2k but certainly wont be £0. At the moment most of the AUC M135i's have nav. Even you have to admit that if there are 10 cars with nav and 1 without you are hardly going to pay the same money for the one missing it? You are either going to buy the nav fitted one, as its a no brainer if its the same price, or if you genuinelly don't care you'll use this fact to negotiate a much keener price on the car without it fitted.

Cars without desireable options are cheaper used than cars with them. Thats why my 335i was such a good deal - every other 335i of a similar age had the bigger wheels, bluetooth phone and an automatic box as fitted options. Mine had none of these. It was therefore less desireable and thousands of pounds cheaper. Nav has just as big an effect - infact at the time Glass's reported that cars without Pro Media pack were worth £2000 less at 3 years old. So if you'd bought one new and spec'd nav, it would have effectively been free of charge over your 3 years of ownership.

It's not just an 'option'. It's a tool. If I shell 2k for a satnav, I want it to work properly. Thats the price of TEN normal satnavs. If I had to spend 4 years with a 2k satnav that doesn't know where I live in wales, I'd be seriously ****ed of. And, there is a very high probability that it's the case, from my readings on the various BMW forums.

So I'd spend the time with a useless option, AND would have to use a phonenav to get the job done.

The difference between the nav and any other option, like the 'xenon' option for example, is that if the xenon fail to work, I get them fixed. If the silly satnav doesn't know the postcode lf somewhere I want to go, I'm fairly sure of the reaction of the BMW garage when ask them to fix it...


** Please fully star out swearing **
 
I don't even know why you're using that argument when it's clearly been demonstrated that resale is directly impacted by cheaping out on navigation.
 
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