Drop in child asthma since smoking ban

[MrMoonX]

Lol.

Smoking is nothing like eating meat. Organic Farming (any farming for that matter) has a detrimental effect on the environment, any kind of transport has a detrimental effect on the environment (even walking if you take it that far) Jeez, simply breathing has a detrimental effect on the environment, by that kind of nonsence logic no-one should be criticising anyone for any reason whatsoever. Only the dead have no detrimental effect on the environment and then only if they are left to rot in the ground. The chap above seemed to be making a criticism from a personal impact basis anyway, not one on the environment.

eating meat and dairy has a pretty bad effect on the environment, the dairy industry pumps more harmful **** into the atmosphere than cars and transport combined.

I just hate in considerate smokers, which seems to be everyone I come across smoking in public. Simple ban would suit me fine, but I guess the pro-smoking nazi's dont agree, shock!

Id also like to see dairy and meat banned, but hey IMO I can say anything doesnt mean its gonna happen

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Has anyone actually read the study before blowing speculation and conjecture our of their asses?

 

[Castiel]

Would this not lead to an increase in the percentage of children rather than a decrease?

There has been a significant and then a steady increase in the incidences of Asthma attacks since the 1970s this increase stopped the year after the smoking the ban came into place, with a 2.2% annual increase being replaced by an initial 12% decrease and then a continuing albeit lower decrease since. This evidence is supported by similar studies done in both the United States and Scotland when similar bans came into effect.

What Glaucus is saying is immaterial as Asthma comes in various diagnoses from intermittent to severe and acute to chronic, so it is a reduction in illness as Asthma can be a symptomatic triggered disorder rather than a static or degenerative condition like COPD.

 

[Nitefly]

Encouraging statistic, it will be interesting to see if it continues to drop over the upcoming years.

 

[MrMoonX]

Encouraging statistic, it will be interesting to see if it continues to drop over the upcoming years.

it could be that smoking is becoming less socially acceptable so that puts many off and hopefully that continues until it dies out slowly

 

[Castiel]

I don't recall saying that it was.

You made the statement that anyone being critical of smokers is being hypocritical if they eat meat, drive a vehicle, do not eat organic food and so on....this is just nonsense as MrMoonx was did not even mention the environment, but only his personal distaste for being in the vicinity of smokers in public places.

I was pointing out that almost everything we do simply by being alive and living in a developed society (any society for that matter) has a detrimental impact on the environment and by the logic you gave against people making complaints of public smoking, everyone is a hypocrite as everyone impacts on the environment by some degree or another and so no one can justify any criticism of anything as they are also making some detrimental impact on the environment. That is simply ridiculous, just because someone eats meat doesn't imply they cannot justify a criticism of smoking. The two are totally unrelated.

 

[elmarko]

You made the statement that anyone being critical of smokers is being hypocritical if they eat meat, drive a vehicle, do not eat organic food and so on....this is just nonsense as MrMoonx was did not even mention the environment, but only his personal distaste for being in the vicinity of smokers in public places.

I was pointing out that almost everything we do simply by being alive and living in a developed society (any society for that matter) has a detrimental impact on the environment and by the logic you gave against people making complaints of public smoking, everyone is a hypocrite as everyone impacts on the environment by some degree or another and so no one can justify any criticism of anything as they are also making some detrimental impact on the environment. That is simply ridiculous, just because someone eats meat doesn't imply they cannot justify a criticism of smoking. The two are totally unrelated.

I never said they can't justify a criticism of smoking (please stop making things up).

But it IS hypocritical to complain about person X polluting the local air when they either do it indirectly (by a myriad of different methods, meat was only ONE of them - but if it suits your argument better to focus on one of about six different points I made.....) or directly driving past another in a big gas guzzler.

Pointing out hypocrisy is not equal to saying a person can't justify a criticism (contrary to what you are attempt to portray).

I fail to even see what point you are trying to make.

Person A makes an irrational comment calling smokers lowlife/dirty polluters of the local air.

I simply point out that smokers are not the only people who pullute our local air & provided a list of other actions (of which none of essential which either directly, or indirectly pullute our local air).

doesn't recycle - damages environment & causes air pollution

uses private transport + travels abroad excessively - damages environment & causes air pollution

purchases a large amount of any none organic/recyclable goods - damages environment & causes air pollution

eats meat - damages environment & causes air pollution

If you are going to reply to this, please could you reply based on what I've actually said for once.

 

[Castiel]

I never said they can't justify a criticism of smoking (please stop making things up).

I'm not making things up and I have replied to exactly what you have said no matter how you wish to wrangle it......it is what you said.

You used the analogy in relation to what MrMoonX said. He never mentioned the environment, only his personal dislike of breathing in cigarette smoke in public places (however divisively he phrased it), the impact was on him personally, not the environment at large. Eating meat is not even comparable to smoking, either in its personal impact on the individual or that to the environment. (the production of Tobacco is one of the main contributors to deforestation in South America, not only in land acquisition but also in the production of tobacco from the plant itself, as well as the diverting of food production in favour of the higher revenues of tobacco production particularly in the developing world, while meat production has similar impacts, it is still producing food and has far less impact on the health of the individual that consumes it).

You specifically stated people cannot justify their hostility to smokers if they eat meat amongst other things as those things also create an adverse affect on the environment, I pointed out that by that logic no-one could justify anything as pretty much everything we do has an adverse effect on the environment, including organic farming, non-combustion engine travel, vegetarianism, recycling, public transport, and so on....so by the logic that you used to criticise MrMoonX, everyone is a hypocrite to one degree or another, which make the entire point you made entirely pointless.

(And the reason I used the meat example specifically, is because it was the more ridiculous of the examples as eating meat is unlikely to have an immediate impact on MrMoonX as he is walking down the street, unlike perhaps the exhaust of a Bus or the Smoke from a smoker).

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

I just hate in considerate smokers, which seems to be everyone I come across smoking in public. Simple ban would suit me fine, but I guess the pro-smoking nazi's dont agree, shock!

Nothing wrong with that at all, but that is not what you initially said and what you initially said is the point being brought up.

It was the fact you automatically call people you FOLLOW in pubs dirty and that the people who smoke outside (because that is where they have to/are allowed to smoke) are low-lifes. Why do you follow them and not move away from them and why do you go to pubs where the entrance/exits are also the smoking areas?? I can imagine your answer would be something along the lines of 'that's where my friends go' etc etc, but they could use exactly the same reasoning no?

 

[Judgeneo]

Good thing I sold my "Inhalers inc." shares last month.

 

[elmarko]

I'm not making things up and I have replied to exactly what you have said no matter how you wish to wrangle it......it is what you said.

You used the analogy in relation to what MrMoonX said. He never mentioned the environment, only his personal dislike of breathing in cigarette smoke in public places, the impact was on him personally, not the environment at large. Eating meat is not even comparable to smoking, either in its personal impact on the individual or that to the environment. (the production of Tobacco is one of the main contributors to deforestation in South America, not only in land acquisition but also in the production of tobacco from the plant itself, as well as the diverting of food production in favour of the higher revenues of tobacco production particularly in the developing world).

You specifically stated people cannot justify their hostility to smokers if they eat meat amongst other things as those things also create an adverse affect on the environment, I pointed out that by that logic no-one could justify anything as pretty much everything we do has an adverse effect on the environment, including organic farming, non-combustion engine travel, vegetarianism, recycling, public transport, and so on....so by the logic that you used to criticise MrMoonX, everyone is a hypocrite to one degree or another, which make the entire point you made entirely pointless.

You do know I didn't even quote MrMoonX, I was talking about hostility towards smokers in general in my first post - so I'm not sure what MrMoonX has to do this the point at all.

I was responding to platypus.

Besides, what you are giving is a subjective point of view, one which I happen to disagree with.

It's hypocritical to talk down to smokers/insult them while doing things which have a similar net effect - that's my position & if you don't agree then.. well, then we don't agree.

But as I have friends & family who smoke & find it pretty odd that it's considered acceptable to call them "lowlifes" for doing something which is hardly more harmful than a thousand others things which people deem as acceptable (therein lies the hypocrisy).

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Has anyone actually read the study before blowing speculation and conjecture our of their asses?

I'll take that as no!

 

[Castiel]

You do know I didn't even quote MrMoonX, I was talking about hostility towards smokers in general in my first post - so I'm not sure what MrMoonX has to do this the point at all.

I was responding to platypus.

Besides, what you are giving is a subjective point of view, one which I happen to disagree with.

It's hypocritical to talk down to smokers/insult them while doing things which have a similar net effect - that's my position & if you don't agree then.. well, then we don't agree.

But as I have friends & family who smoke & find it pretty odd that it's considered acceptable to call them "lowlifes" for doing something which is hardly more harmful than a thousand others things which people deem as acceptable (therein lies the hypocrisy).

The line of debate followed directly from what MrMoonX stated (and you referenced by using the same terminology) and I was not talking about whether we should be hostile to anyone or not, clearly I think we should leave people alone for the most part as I stated as much, but I was questioning your line of logic regarding comparative examples in your statement and if we follow that line of logic to its conclusion then it becomes ultimately pointless as we could all be considered hypocritical as we all negatively impact on the environment to a degree.

It isn't being subjective at all, it is a valid observation and criticism of how you choose to express the point you were attempting to make. Anyway its not worth belabouring any further.

 

[smit101]

Id also like to see dairy and meat banned

Anything else? how about we just ban everything you disagree with?!

Research suggests that children eating a diet containing saturated fats from milk & butter have a reduced risk of developing asthma symptoms.

Link

 

[ToxicTBag]

I am a smoker but I wholeheartedly agree with the smoking ban in all public places and its good to hear it is already having some positive results