Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

[PapaLazaru]

What you are finding is that Windows 8 user experience is poor at best. Lots of people will shout at you and call you stupid because you can't "keep up with the times its a new way of doing it get used to it"

But just install classic shell or similar, gets your W7 experience back.

I have to agree. I have stated I am willing to spend time on Win8 but it just seems stupid how it works. To add to this my upgrade install is broken and I cannot access my PC Settings and therefore cannot force a refresh or reinstall.

Going to have to wipe my C drive and try the fresh install with the bootable USB trick using the upgrade.

 

[kitch9]

And is missing 90% of the functionality without severe editing. Oh, and it looks gay

No it isn't, where do you people pull this crap from?

How can Metro be the new start button when it has shortcuts on it? That is the whole point of the shortcut, to be used to access the programs you use most. The rest can just stay within the start button. Metro is no start button. I also don't recall have some dumb weather, or news program (or 'tile') appearing in it which I had to delete when I first installed Win7.

So Metro has all my shortcuts in front of me for when I boot up, just like a desktop. It essentially provides the same service which is easy access to my favourite programmes, but now, when I click a tile to fire up Chrome, for instance, it fires it up and then takes me to the desktop? Why?

I have clearly stated I am happy to have one, or the other. I will get Metro working as I wish, but not if as soon as I click a tile it takes me to desktop anyway. It is retarded. Why can't you choose?

Seriously, what?

The Start button has always had program shortcuts since it was introduced years ago, that is one of its main features, you do know you can access all your programs from start in 8 too yes? You click chrome in 7 start menu it opens Chrome on the desktop I'm struggling to grasp what you are finding so difficult.

Windows 8 start menu is full screen, earlier windows start menu is the small box that opens in the corner, it's as simple as that.

 

[gareth170]

And is missing 90% of the functionality without severe editing. Oh, and it looks gay

clearly you have no issue what your doing then.

the start screen has the same (in fact more) functionality than a start menu

 

[ShortWarning]

I still get confused with all of the confusion regarding Windows 8. It's slightly different, yes. It took all of an hour to get used to the main changes.

The start menu is exactly the same, just full screen. It's also completely customisable (unlike win 7) so you can have exactly what you want on there.

I'm on my desktop 99% of the time anyway (just like I was with Win 7).

 

[PapaLazaru]

No it isn't, where do you people pull this crap from?




Seriously, what?

The Start button has always had program shortcuts since it was introduced years ago, that is one of its main features, you do know you can access all your programs from start in 8 too yes? You click chrome in 7 start menu it opens Chrome on the desktop I'm struggling to grasp what you are finding so difficult.

Windows 8 start menu is full screen, earlier windows start menu is the small box that opens in the corner, it's as simple as that.

*sighs*

Ok let me explain in even simpler terms, it is utterly pointless as Win8 is clearly designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones more than a desktop PC

You appear to be missing my point entirely. I have no issue with a tiled start screen. Yes, all my programs are in there. Even not so much used programs are in there. They have always been in the start screen and I know that. A lot of them are in there for a reason, I don't use them very often. The point is that they are making the start screen look more like a desktop with tiled shortcuts, ie more like your traditional desktop.

I have no problem with this, apart from the fact that it should make the traditional desktop redundant as my 'start' tiles now act like an older desktop.

So tell me why I still have a desktop to deal with as well?

I will tell you why, the traditional desktop is not designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones, whilst the tiled interface is. That is why.

The simple fact is that you should be able to control how you interact using Win8, not be forced to use both, one of which is clearly not for us desktop PC using people.

This coupled with the fact that this new tiled start screen has found NONE of my programs unless they were installed on my C drive makes it laughable. Yet again, only designed for tablets and smartphones with one hard drive.

I unfortunately have 4.

 

[kitch9]

*sighs*

Ok let me explain in even simpler terms, it is utterly pointless as Win8 is clearly designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones more than a desktop PC

You appear to be missing my point entirely. I have no issue with a tiled start screen. Yes, all my programs are in there. Even not so much used programs are in there. They have always been in the start screen and I know that. A lot of them are in there for a reason, I don't use them very often. The point is that they are making the start screen look more like a desktop with tiled shortcuts, ie more like your traditional desktop.

I have no problem with this, apart from the fact that it should make the traditional desktop redundant as my 'start' tiles now act like an older desktop.

So tell me why I still have a desktop to deal with as well?

I will tell you why, the traditional desktop is not designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones, whilst the tiled interface is. That is why.

The simple fact is that you should be able to control how you interact using Win8, not be forced to use both, one of which is clearly not for us desktop PC using people.

This coupled with the fact that this new tiled start screen has found NONE of my programs unless they were installed on my C drive makes it laughable. Yet again, only designed for tablets and smartphones with one hard drive.

I unfortunately have 4.

You have a serious issue of PEBCAK it appears, I'm not sure it's fixable.

You say you rarely use Start, but question why you have a desktop?

What?

Is your Start menu not allowing you to click on it or something?

 

[Glaucus]

These days I use metro interface more than traditional desktop. It's far better for media consumption, like netflix, zinio etc. as I spend so much time in there even launch games from there these days.
You can use w8 how it suits you, but frankly I love live tiles and its a huge benefit over traditional desktop.

 

[uvarvu]

*sighs*
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I unfortunately have 4.

I can see where you're coming from - I agree that having both the desktop and welcome screen causes redundancy and I too have some applications that aren't picked up.
I'm glad that I never allowed this OS to grace my hardware, I've kept it tucked up inside a VM and it will be a very long time before I even consider installing it natively.

 

[mrRAGE]

Windows 8 Pros and Cons

Personally, I'm still hesitant as to the Windows 8 because it's more like a mobile OS. I was reluctant until I talked to my colleagues who've been through a professional Windows 8 training and it looks like application development for the new system won't be such a disaster as some might think But the question is whether the users are gonna like it (and use it) or not. Anyway, if you'd like to read my post, here's the link: http://www.pgs-soft.com/pgs-software-welcomes-windows-8.html

 

[PapaLazaru]

You have a serious issue of PEBCAK it appears, I'm not sure it's fixable.

You say you rarely use Start, but question why you have a desktop?

What?

Is your Start menu not allowing you to click on it or something?

It is not a serious issue of pebkac. I have been using PC's and tablets for as long as they have been available. You yet again miss my point. I would be happy to use a tiled start screen, but for everything. I can add all my shotcuts and just use the start screen, which is exaclty how it works on a tablet. It is capable of doing that. I have never disputed that. So if it is capable of doing everything, why the hell has Win8 still got a dektop behind it. I will tell you why again as you are just totally missing the point which is a fact. This OS is primarily designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones and not for dektop PC's. There can be no argument with this. It is a clear as day just by looking at how it works.

I'm sticking with it as behind the scenes it is very good. I am just going to make it work properly for a dektop PC with no touch screen and install classic shell.

These days I use metro interface more than traditional desktop. It's far better for media consumption, like netflix, zinio etc. as I spend so much time in there even launch games from there these days.
You can use w8 how it suits you, but frankly I love live tiles and its a huge benefit over traditional desktop.

I also want to use the interface, but how can I remove the traditional dektop. I don't want it, or alternately I don't want the tiled start screen AND the dektop.

Just one or the other. The tiled start screen can do what most if us want but it seems tacked onto the front of a traditional dekstop which works fine for your normal dektop PC user.

 

[Glaucus]

What a silly postion, There is zero reason to remove it, just don't use it. It is windows, neither is tacked on. Each have a specific purpose. And complement each other well for the foreseeable future.

 

[kitch9]

I can see where you're coming from - I agree that having both the desktop and welcome screen causes redundancy and I too have some applications that aren't picked up.
I'm glad that I never allowed this OS to grace my hardware, I've kept it tucked up inside a VM and it will be a very long time before I even consider installing it natively.

They are "picked up."

During the upgrade process Windows automatically selects your most frequently/recently used programs and adds them to the main start menu as a shortcut for you to use.

All the other program shortcuts will be in the "All Apps" menu in start which can be found by right clicking anywhere on the Start menu. If there are any programs that are in all apps that you feel should be on the main start you can select them by right clicking and click pin to start, or taskbar or desktop, wherever you feel it should be.

Same as how its always has been, just in a slightly different place.

What a silly postion, There is zero reason to remove it, just don't use it. It is windows, neither is tacked on. Each have a specific purpose. And complement each other well for the forces able future.

He appears to be massively over complicating the entire thing and confusing himself in the process. This confusion appears to have lead to the point where he's going to install a third party mod to try to run the OS which has less functionality and is squeezed into a tiny window, along with a button to remind him where the bottom left corner is....

 

[PapaLazaru]

They are "picked up."

During the upgrade process Windows automatically selects your most frequently/recently used programs and adds them to the main start menu as a shortcut for you to use.

All the other program shortcuts will be in the "All Apps" menu in start which can be found by right clicking anywhere on the Start menu.

I can tell you now it did not and I can tell you why. I don't have any apps on my C drive, only my OS and drivers. Hence, as the Win8 is designed for single hard drive tablets etc it is incapable of searching my other three drives for my programs.

Under 'All Apps', it again found nothing apart from eight games and Chrome, which also happens to be on my C drive. These games are the only ones which happen to have game saves and settings in the C drive. You know the games that do it without asking you.

It is a flaw in the design, or the fact again, that this is an OS for tablets.

I am not confusing myself at all.

 

[Elevon]

It is not a serious issue of pebkac. I have been using PC's and tablets for as long as they have been available. You yet again miss my point. I would be happy to use a tiled start screen, but for everything. I can add all my shotcuts and just use the start screen, which is exaclty how it works on a tablet. It is capable of doing that. I have never disputed that. So if it is capable of doing everything, why the hell has Win8 still got a dektop behind it. I will tell you why again as you are just totally missing the point which is a fact. This OS is primarily designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones and not for dektop PC's. There can be no argument with this. It is a clear as day just by looking at how it works.

I'm sticking with it as behind the scenes it is very good. I am just going to make it work properly for a dektop PC with no touch screen and install classic shell.

I also want to use the interface, but how can I remove the traditional dektop. I don't want it, or alternately I don't want the tiled start screen AND the dektop.

Just one or the other. The tiled start screen can do what most if us want but it seems tacked onto the front of a traditional dekstop which works fine for your normal dektop PC user.

I disagree about it designed just for tablets,smartphones etc..basically Microsoft made Win8 versatile ie to handle any type of modern hardware from desktop PCs to phones,its more a versatile hybrid OS IMHO,you can customize it to your needs as a desktop user,you DON'T need Classic Shell either or any third party Start menu that goes back to Win95 days.


Personally I like having both Metro and Desktop part since I can customize both to my needs even as a desktop/gamer user myself,end of the day takes less then a second to switch between Metro and Desktop.

However I would like to see improvements/refinements etc.. in Metro in Win9,I'm sure that will be the case.

 

[james.miller]

it's not worth trying to change opinions on this. I think that people need to stop and take a step back and have a good long think when they are that passionate about losing the old start menu - it's just a massive waste of energy and i don't care any more.

the windows 8 start screen is:
- No less intuitive than the old start menu
- No less functional than the old start menu
- No harder to use than the old start menu.

It's.Just.Different....And whilst there are some bizarrely over-complicated features in windows 8 (full shut down), this is really nothing to do with the start screen itself and fingers crossed those little things will be ironed out in time.

It's about time people got over their irrational hatred of metro. Either buy in to it or don't but please calm down the diatribe, it's nonsense.

 

[gareth170]

This OS is primarily designed for touch screen tablets and smartphones and not for dektop PC's. There can be no argument with this. It is a clear as day just by looking at how it works.

I also want to use the interface, but how can I remove the traditional dektop. I don't want it, or alternately I don't want the tiled start screen AND the dektop.

Just one or the other. The tiled start screen can do what most if us want but it seems tacked onto the front of a traditional dekstop which works fine for your normal dektop PC user.

what are you on mate.

win8 is a hybrid OS designed for touch screen pc/laptops, tablets and smartphones and for non-touch screen desktop pc's/laptops. just because in your eyes it's not for desktop PC's, doesn't mean it really wasn't for non-touch screen desktop pc's/laptops as well...

having a desktop still is a good thing because you may need more than 1 program open at a time and to see both.

 

[kitch9]

I can tell you now it did not and I can tell you why. I don't have any apps on my C drive, only my OS and drivers. Hence, as the Win8 is designed for single hard drive tablets etc it is incapable of searching my other three drives for my programs.

Under 'All Apps', it again found nothing apart from eight games and Chrome, which also happens to be on my C drive. These games are the only ones which happen to have game saves and settings in the C drive. You know the games that do it without asking you.

It is a flaw in the design, or the fact again, that this is an OS for tablets.

I am not confusing myself at all.

My rig has 3 drives, and all my installed programs are there....

Stop banging on about designed for only tablets, it makes you sound crazy.... Do you really think that after decades of designing os's purely for PCs and laptops and being the market leader all that time MS will suddenly forget that systems can have more than one drive?

 

[Glaucus]

Same here SSD for os, big hard drive for steam, games etc. guess what also picks them up.

 

[gareth170]

My rig has 9 drives, SSD for os and 8 HDD for backup, games/stream, ect

 

[PapaLazaru]

It's about time people got over their irrational hatred of metro. Either buy in to it or don't but please calm down the diatribe, it's nonsense.

I have no irrational hatred of Metro. Nowhere have I said that it sucks. I quite like it, in fact. I just cannot get my head around the point of having both a tiled start screen (which is basically a nicer looking desktop) and a desktop.

If I could somehow disable one or the other I would be happy. As it stands, I cannot and I believe my install is also corrupt as all I want to do is a simple refresh, and I can't change any PC settings.