Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Muzza1875 said:
6kg oats (two for a friend)

Happy with new diet(lifestyle change)so far. Dropped another 1% body fat.
These should help me along the way.Especially the oats as i'm trying to cut carbs especially breads/pasta etc. 100g a day post workout should keep me sane.
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Question: if you are trying to reduce carbs, why are you buying Oats?
 
sunama said:
Question: if you are trying to reduce carbs, why are you buying Oats?
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Yea reduce as in low carbs no more than 100g - 150 grams not cut them out completly.Tried 20g and less and i felt like crap so keto is a no go for me.
I guess having carbs in the form of oats is better than bread and the like.
And its handy to have mixed with my whey post workout.

Edit:As kd says you need some to get you through the day.
 
Muzza1875 said:
Tried 20g and less and i felt like crap so keto is a no go for me.
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This is a better explanation.

Contrary to popular belief, once you have adapted (takes a few days), you will still have good energy levels on low carbs (less than 50g/day). The initial few days can be painful (I'm talking from experience) and I can also understand people not liking to go low carb.

Muzza1875 said:
I guess having carbs in the form of oats is better than bread and the like.
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If on a low carb diet, its better to get them from fruit and veg, rather than to blow your allowance on oats/supplement.

In any case, 150g/day isnt particularly low, so this argument is moot.
I was under the impression that you were using a carb supplement, while on a low carb diet (ie. less than 50g/day).

And regarding oats being better than (wholemeal) bread: is there really that much difference? Genuine question.

EDIT: I just did a quick check:
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/diet/gi_diet/glycaemic_index_tables.htm

wholemeal bread, GI: 53
oatbran, GI: 55.

So, tell me what is so great about oats please. The only thing I can think of is the salt level which is contained in most breads...but perhaps someone can clear this up.
 
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liamfolz said:
Carbs are fuel lol Still need it even if cutting
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Many people have performed their heaviest lifts, while on a low carb diet. I read on some forums, that some people are on less than 25g/day and performing well in the gym, so I don't buy this argument.

I've been doing a lot reading lately on the low carb vs low fat debate and low carb "may" be the way forward.
And butter, apparently is healthier than spreads like Flora, etc...whodathunkit...
 
150 is relatively low tough. It's only about 600 cals.

There's never been an argument for low fat diets in my view. Though not all fats are equal. I don't buy the ultra low carb either. However I DO buy the not eating processed foods and poor quality foods mantra. As well as eating a well rounded diet. However people want protocols and fads these days which is cool if it works and suits them. :) I enjoy life too much! :p
 
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sunama said:
Many people have performed their heaviest lifts, while on a low carb diet. I read on some forums, that some people are on less than 25g/day and performing well in the gym, so I don't buy this argument.

I've been doing a lot reading lately on the low carb vs low fat debate and low carb "may" be the way forward.
And butter, apparently is healthier than spreads like Flora, etc...whodathunkit...
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Rubbish
 
Steedie said:
Rubbish
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+1

Pretty much your best lifts will come from carb fueled afternoon lifting. I train fasted and in the morning, and yet my best lifts have all been done on a decent amount of carbs and in the afternoons.
The body is just better at utilizing carbs for energy.
 
Freefaller said:
150 is relatively low tough. It's only about 600 cals.

There's never been an argument for low fat diets in my view. Though not all fats are equal. I don't buy the ultra low carb either. However I DO buy the not eating processed foods and poor quality foods mantra. As well as eating a well rounded diet. However people want protocols and fads these days which is cool if it works and suits them. :) I enjoy life too much! :p
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Guessing you're quite a fan of Paleo? :)

Having read more about it, it seems alrightish, but a bit extreme.

I'll stay away from processed foods if I can, but I'll stay with my dairy produce thanks. I'm also not going to completely cut carbs out from grains, which it seems to push. That said, my carbs come from three sources, Oats, Sweet Potato and Brown Rice. So it's not the worst set of sources.. Mind you, I'm very much considering trying to create some kind of waldorf salad (or deviation on it) as a lunch meal, and get the carbs at lunch from the apples, nuts etc... Although I'm not sure how well this would work, as I haven't actually looked at the nutritional breakdown yet...

kd
 
There's a lot to be said about paleo, but, also one has to embrace advancement of society, and food production. We've learned to use grains and some grains and rice do not cause any poisoning/inflammation of the digestive tract that people seem to be obsessed with on extreme paleo diets.

That said, I do enjoy my carby treats such as pasta and rice on occasion. But my main source of carbs are fruits, vegetables and root based veg - I don't buy all of it however, I like peanuts, and potatoes as well as a bit of dairy. Certainly, I do SORT of follow it by keeping these out of my diet: refined sugars and grains, trans fats, salt (within reason), high-GI carbs, and of course heavily processed foods.
 
sunama said:
Many people have performed their heaviest lifts, while on a low carb diet. I read on some forums, that some people are on less than 25g/day and performing well in the gym, so I don't buy this argument.

I've been doing a lot reading lately on the low carb vs low fat debate and low carb "may" be the way forward.
And butter, apparently is healthier than spreads like Flora, etc...whodathunkit...
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I'm curious about this. How do you test it? What I mean by that is that there are potentially so many factors affecting ones lifting that it would be perfectly possible for the person who sets their heaviest lifts on a low carb diet to lift even heavier weights if they got their diet right with higher carbs would it not? It depends on what base you're starting from and what you're comparing it to.

Or to use a slightly different but related example - I've been known to jokingly say that being a vegetarian hasn't exactly stunted my growth but I can't know that for sure. If I'd eaten meat all my life then it's possible I'd have been taller and broader than I am.
 
Freefaller said:
There's a lot to be said about paleo, but, also one has to embrace advancement of society, and food production. We've learned to use grains and some grains and rice do not cause any poisoning/inflammation of the digestive tract that people seem to be obsessed with on extreme paleo diets.

That said, I do enjoy my carby treats such as pasta and rice on occasion. But my main source of carbs are fruits, vegetables and root based veg - I don't buy all of it however, I like peanuts, and potatoes as well as a bit of dairy. Certainly, I do SORT of follow it by keeping these out of my diet: refined sugars and grains, trans fats, salt (within reason), high-GI carbs, and of course heavily processed foods.
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Yeah, I wasn't expecting 'strict' adherence, because strict seems a bit obsessive, but definitely a loose following with some divergence/exceptions seems possibly the best choice...

kd
 
Guys, not really a supplement but what is everyone views on Pain Killers? Asprin, Paracetamol and ibuprofen. How does it effect muscle growth?

Really caused some pain in my knee doing a half marathon yesterday and think I have just pulled my inside knee tendon, really not wanting to take ibuprofen as I heard it can limit muscle growth? So I have been icing and using compression but would really like to use something lol.

Thanks
 
It's verging on medical advice. However, taking an analgesic for a few days is not going to cause you issues. And for the sake of pain - does it really matter for a week or so? You're not going to waste away. It really isn't an issue.
 
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