Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

Minstadave · 27 Jan 2013 at 14:56

james.miller said:
windows update is in the control panel, in the same place its always been and opens the same way it always has. windows 8 just happens to have a full-screen app as well.

See above - figured that out.

Why have 2 apps though? What does it achieve?

If I could have a start button and bury metro so I can forget it exists I'd be happy, I'd pay my money to upgrade my other PCs - but I can't without third party software and this means I'll be sticking with 7 and microsoft won't get any money.

gareth170 · 27 Jan 2013 at 14:59

tbh I didn't try the win8 preview or betas. I waited till it was released and then bought it and after about 20min of using it I found using it so easy.

Broken Hope · 27 Jan 2013 at 14:59

Minstadave said:
See above - figured that out.

Why have 2 apps though? What does it achieve?

Windows RT doesn't have access to the desktop and all the desktop apps, so how would a Windows RT tablet access Windows Update unless there was a Metro app too?

Minstadave · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:02

Broken Hope said:
Windows RT doesn't have access to the desktop and all the desktop apps, so how would a Windows RT tablet access Windows Update unless there was a Metro app too?

So because microsoft want to consolidate their OS across multiple formats all the PC users (the vast majority) have to bullied into using their second rate interface so the tablet market (tiny) are happy. A button to turn of metro and turn on the start bar and everyone can have the OS they want.

james.miller · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:07

Minstadave said:
See above - figured that out.

Why didnt you look there first :confused:

Why have 2 apps though?

Because it's an OS designed for a touch interface as well, i guess. The big touchscreen pc's are great but a bit fiddly in the desktop without a mouse and keyboard. Having two apps caters to both crowds.

If I could have a start button and bury metro so I can forget it exists I'd be happy, I'd pay my money to upgrade my other PCs - but I can't without third party software and this means I'll be sticking with 7 and microsoft won't get any money.

That's too bad then

Minstadave said:
So because microsoft want to consolidate their OS across multiple formats all the PC users (the vast majority) have to bullied into using their second rate interface so the tablet market (tiny) are happy. A button to turn of metro and turn on the start bar and everyone can have the OS they want.

Its not just the windows RT market, think bigger. Anyway, it's not a very good argument when there are two windows update apps. Infact it really counts against your argument because it proves you really dont have to use metro to do these things. Searching and logging on, that's the only thing you need to use metro for.

gareth170 · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:08

Minstadave said:
If I could have a start button and bury metro so I can forget it exists I'd be happy, I'd pay my money to upgrade my other PCs - but I can't without third party software and this means I'll be sticking with 7 and microsoft won't get any money.

just use the start screen as u would like a start menu..

you'll be only in it for afew seconds while u open a program.

no point moaning

Lucifurr · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:27

Broken Hope said:
Windows RT doesn't have access to the desktop and all the desktop apps, so how would a Windows RT tablet access Windows Update unless there was a Metro app too?

Windows RT does have a desktop and you use Windows update in the same way as Windows 8.

Minstadave · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:29

There seems to be some ardent fans on Windows 8 on here.

What does it do for the desktop user that 7 doesn't?

gareth170 · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:39

Minstadave said:
What does it do for the desktop user that 7 doesn't?

easy of use. faster. open programs with less clicks (start screen vs start menu), live titles. start screen looks nice, more customizable

Woden · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:51

Minstadave said:
There seems to be some ardent fans on Windows 8 on here.

What does it do for the desktop user that 7 doesn't?

Live tiles make it easier for me to check mail without having outlook open all the time.
The new task manager is a vast improvement.

Sighn · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:57

And the transfer window with pausing functions for example. How this has not already been a part of Windows for a long time baffles me. Visibly, we're seeing bigger changes in the transition from W7 to 8 than from Vista to 7.

Broken Hope · 27 Jan 2013 at 16:37

Lucifurr said:
Windows RT does have a desktop and you use Windows update in the same way as Windows 8.

I just assumed since it doesn't support x86 desktop apps that it wouldn't have a desktop, guess I was wrong.

Lucifurr · 27 Jan 2013 at 16:53

Broken Hope said:
I just assumed since it doesn't support x86 desktop apps that it wouldn't have a desktop, guess I was wrong.

The MS Office that comes bundled in with Windows RT is still a full desktop application. You get most of the standard Windows desktop accessories too. You can use tools like command prompt, power shell and the standard remote desktop tool.

I have a surface and find I use it as a laptop substitute and tablet. Just a shame the company I work for uses Lotus Notes or it would be quite likely I would have ditched my laptop all together.

kitch9 · 27 Jan 2013 at 17:44

Minstadave said:
My ignorance is telling me that they have pointlessly complicated what was a very simple OS in the form of 7, I don't see what has been achieved with all this junk. There are just so many fragmented menus and mouse-overs (top right/top left charms/side left app bar) I can't see the logic behind it. Can I get outlook to talk to metro's calendar - apparently not, as that calendar is actually hotmail's calendar - wtf?

I've used Windows for years, when I first tried iOS everything was intuitive so I'm not adverse to change, infact iOS was a breath of fresh air compared with android/windows mobile.

Win 8 just seems a mess to me. I could understand if they totally stripped out desktop and were consistent, but you've got metro with its apps and its own little side bar, you've got desktop with it's programs - it's like 2 OSs hashed together. If they just let me use it how I want that'd be fine, but there is no option to do that.

You haven't figured out the os yet, it will take a little while, you are currently over complicating it. Once you figure it out it will make sense.

Not sure what your problem is with the calendar is, it works fine for me with an Outlook account.

If you don't like Metro apps, simply don't use them and remove them from Start, no biggie.

Nocky24 · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:22

Before I buy W8, will it be compatible with whs 2011 for backups?

Tute · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:32

Minstadave said:
There seems to be some ardent fans on Windows 8 on here.

What does it do for the desktop user that 7 doesn't?

Wow, you're brave. I really can't be bothered to have this discussion in this thread, only theheyes can manage to not turn it petty, and give well thought out, decent answers and rebuttals. It's not for a want of trying mind.

kitch9 · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:02

George Hincapie said:
Yes, because it gives access to so many 'under the hood' components that I use extensively, especially when setting up a new PC. I couldn't work out how to get to Control Panel for love or money. Yes, I could have Googled it, but why should I? If it's not intuitive then it's crap IMHO.

So every OS ever made should be the same? Intuitive does not mean to be the same as its been the last 20 years, it means it should be easy to learn and use... It is.

I keep hearing this retarded argument and it's stupid.

Roalith · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:07

George Hincapie said:
Yes, because it gives access to so many 'under the hood' components that I use extensively, especially when setting up a new PC. I couldn't work out how to get to Control Panel for love or money. Yes, I could have Googled it, but why should I? If it's not intuitive then it's crap IMHO.

Of the various remarkably simple ways available, right click where the start menu used to be...

Eddie · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:11

kitch9 said:
So every OS ever made should be the same? Intuitive does not mean to be the same as its been the last 20 years, it means it should be easy to learn.... It is.

I keep hearing this retarded argument and it's stupid.

Intuitive does not mean easy to learn, it means you intuitively know what to do, i.e. no learning required. The new methods of the Windows 8 UI are not intuitive, imo.

Code:

in·tu·i·tive  

/inˈt(y)o͞oitiv/

Adjective

1.Using or based on what one feels to be true even 
without conscious reasoning; instinctive.
2.(chiefly of computer software) Easy to use and understand.

james.miller · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:16

Minstadave said:
There seems to be some ardent fans on Windows 8 on here.

Honestly that's a really poor reply when people have only tried to help you. It's not anyone else's fault that you couldn't learn the basics of windows 8 navigation, especially considering it gives you a quick guide when installing the OS. What else are people supposed to do?

Roliath said:
George Hincapie said:

Yes, because it gives access to so many 'under the hood' components that I use extensively, especially when setting up a new PC. I couldn't work out how to get to Control Panel for love or money. Yes, I could have Googled it, but why should I? If it's not intuitive then it's crap IMHO.

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Of the various remarkably simple ways available, right click where the start menu used to be...

Or hit the windows key and type in 'control panel', which unsurprisingly is exactly the same as windows 7.