Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

Just 'insralled ' win 8. Couldn't boot it up due to ineccesiibke disc drive then got in but my spare 1tb backup data HDD doesn't appear then could never get into windows again. Attempted to reinstall vis USB this time only for it not to let me due to gpt not MBR disc?

Now I'm trying to reinstall from DVD again..
 
It's true though, so far the replies are largely Windows 8 rocks, it's so easy noob!

Personally it seems like a dogs dinner of ideas, it is not intuitive at all, to me it feels fragmented and like reinventing the wheel.

Nothing has struck me as being easier having used it for it for 24hrs. I've enjoyed every new release of windows as its got slicker and tidier, then 8 comes along and it's a mess - charms, tiles, apps, sliding bars all over the place.
 
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kitch9 said:
So every OS ever made should be the same? Intuitive does not mean to be the same as its been the last 20 years, it means it should be easy to learn and use... It is.

I keep hearing this retarded argument and it's stupid.
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The trouble is they're basically trying to redesign the wheel, sure Windows 7 start menu wasn't perfect and would benefit from a few tweaks here and there (like it has done ever since Windows 95) but a lot of people feel like MS have just thrown square wheels on their cars and told them its better, some people are happy to drive on square wheels the vast majority clearly aren't and hopefully MS are getting the message.

By all means add Metro to touch tablets and phones, but come on the desktop and even their server OS? ridiculous. I suspect they only added it to Windows Server so that there wouldn't be a mass exodus from Win 8 towards it.
 
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shoot1st said:
Intuitive does not mean easy to learn, it means you intuitively know what to do, i.e. no learning required. The new methods of the Windows 8 UI are not intuitive, imo.

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in·tu·i·tive  

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Adjective

1.Using or based on what one feels to be true even 
without conscious reasoning; instinctive.
2.(chiefly of computer software) Easy to use and understand.
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No it means easy to use and understand which it is. Intuitive does not mean to be the same.
 
kitch9 said:
No it means easy to use and understand which it is. Intuitive does not mean to be the same.
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It's not easy to use for everyone, some of us find it clunky and messy. The popularity of program's to restore the start bar and ditch metro suggest I'm not alone in feeling this way.
 
mmj_uk said:
The trouble is they're basically trying to redesign the wheel, sure Windows 7 start menu wasn't perfect and would benefit from a few tweaks here and there (like it has done ever since Windows 95) but a lot of people feel like MS have just thrown square wheels on their cars and told them its better, some people are happy to drive on square wheels the vast majority clearly aren't and hopefully MS are getting the message.
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They had record revenue last quarter, I should imagine they are.

They've been doing OS's for decades and people have been whining about every change they've ever made.... I'm sure that they expected a decent amount of resistance and crying by those who want new stuff without them actually changing anything.
 
Roalith said:
Of the various remarkably simple ways available, right click where the start menu used to be...
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This is my point, right click on something you can't see, has no visual cue to that it should be clicked on - how is this intuitive? In fact you have to right click on the damn thing they took away!
 
kitch9 said:
No it means easy to use and understand which it is. Intuitive does not mean to be the same.
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It doesn't need to be the same, I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that it should be intuitive, as in, you instinctively know what button to press next for example, and on that basis, the design of the Windows 8 UI is not intuitive.

Intuitive means that you should not have to learn a single thing, your actions are instinctive, i.e. you already know how to use it.
 
iOS is an intuitive OS, you poke the icons and they do what they say on them.

Windows 8 isn't the same, I'm sure it could be usable once i get comfortable fanny around between metro and desktop, finding whats hidden in what menu, where to poke to get each slide out menu and learning a few shortcuts but its clumsy. I tried to use the snap feature for apps earlier, I just couldn't get it to do anything sensible or useful.
 
kitch9 said:
They had record revenue last quarter, I should imagine they are.

They've been doing OS's for decades and people have been whining about every change they've ever made.... I'm sure that they expected a decent amount of resistance and crying by those who want new stuff without them actually changing anything.
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very true.

this happens with every new os release, it's silly tbh
 
shoot1st said:
It doesn't need to be the same, I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that it should be intuitive, as in, you instinctively know what button to press next for example, and on that basis, the design of the Windows 8 UI is not intuitive.

Intuitive means that you should not have to learn a single thing, your actions are instinctive, i.e. you already know how to use it.
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If you'd never used Windows 7 before you wouldnt know how to access everything "intuitively."

If it were that intuitive there would be no need for IT guys, and friends and family would never ring asking for help with problems.
 
OK no one can comment on a new OS because they bring out a new OS every now and again. Sounds good.

The issue here is this a departure from their normal work, putting mobile/tablet use ahead of usability on the desktop. I haven't found anything that seems a positive step yet compared with its predecessor. Could you see this in the workplace? I can't.
 
kitch9 said:
If you'd never used Windows 7 before you wouldnt know how to access everything "intuitively."

If it were that intuitive there would be no need for IT guys, and friends and family would never ring asking for help with problems.
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A big button with start on it is pretty intuitive, and a nice visual menu pops up.

Right clicking on an empty bit of screen and mousing around the corners of the screen looking for menus is not intuitive. Finding the power off option buried under settings in not intuitive. Having apps and programs is not intuitive. Having a desktop work area with multiple programs, another toolbar of open apps and having to flick back and forth between separate areas is not intuitive.

Simples?
 
Minstadave said:
iOS is an intuitive OS, you poke the icons and they do what they say on them.

Windows 8 isn't the same, I'm sure it could be usable once i get comfortable fanny around between metro and desktop, finding whats hidden in what menu, where to poke to get each slide out menu and learning a few shortcuts but its clumsy. I tried to use the snap feature for apps earlier, I just couldn't get it to do anything sensible or useful.
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Don't use apps if you don't want to or find them useful ... It's not not rocket science fella.

Pro-tip: The bottom left corner of the screen is useful, try not to forget that... Hard I know but you'll crack it I'm sure.
 
Minstadave said:
It's true though, so far the replies are largely Windows 8 rocks, it's so easy noob!

Personally it seems like a dogs dinner of ideas, it is not intuitive at all, to me it feels fragmented and like reinventing the wheel.

Nothing has struck me as being easier having used it for it for 24hrs. I've enjoyed every new release of windows as its got slicker and tidier, then 8 comes along and it's a mess - charms, tiles, apps, sliding bars all over the place.
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i agree,m ive just hit a bug where I cant change my background desktop image, it always goes to the stock windows one, no matter what I do, unless I select a solid colour.

How many clicks to shutdown:/ gah..

I miss my start button.
 
I tell you what i like, the search integration from the metro apps. the wikipedia app, for instance. hit windows and type in anything you want, click on the wiki icon and there's your article. it's just about as fast as you could ever want and IMO it works really, really well.

Look, i dont see why people need to get hung up on this start menu thing. Minstadave you dont like it and that is perfectly fine. You dont need people to tell you to get over it or accept it because you really dont have to, but some of your criticisms and complains in this thread have been absolutely textbook examples of the type of largely baseless complains that litter these threads. Complaints such as how to update windows just for one example. It's unfortunate that people dont pay attention to the installer, or that people dont try to carry out some of these tasks in the manner they did previously (because they would then know how to in windows 8), or that they arent prepared to google because they 'shouldn't have to' - It doesn't take long to learn but there you go.

'Intuition', though, this is such a badly misused term when it comes to windows 8. PC / mac operating systems have rarely ever been intuitive - just moving between OSX and windows for example can be a real headache for newcomers to either and this is really because neither are obvious in use until you've learned to use them. So This really shouldn't be a criticism of windows 8 because it's really not about being intuitive or not - it's really just because it's different, and people (not all) don't like change. That's not to say windows 8 is perfect because it is not and I've posted some pretty clear criticisms myself, as have others, despite what certain other people may try to tell you. None of us think it's perfect, lol.

Anyway, it's fortunate that you just don't have to use the OS at all. So if it really does rile you that badly, then the choice is a simple one - don't. Nobody in their right mind would pull you up for that.
 
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james.miller said:
I tell you what i like, the search integration from the metro apps. the wikipedia app, for instance. hit windows and type in anything you want, click on the wiki icon and there's your article. it's just about as fast as you could ever want and IMO it works really, really well.

Look, i dont see why people need to get hung up on this start menu thing. Minstadave you dont like it and that is perfectly fine. You dont need people to tell you to get over it or accept it because you really dont have to, but some of your criticisms and complains in this thread have been absolutely textbook examples of the type of largely baseless complains that litter these threads. Complaints such as how to update windows just for one example. It's unfortunate that people dont pay attention to the installer, or that people dont try to carry out some of these tasks in the manner they did previously (because they would then know how to in windows 8), or that they arent prepared to google because they 'shouldn't have to' - It doesn't take long to learn but there you go.

'Intuition', though, this is such a badly misused term when it comes to windows 8. PC / mac operating systems have rarely ever been intuitive - just moving between OSX and windows for example can be a real headache for newcomers to either and this is really because neither are obvious in use until you've learned to use them. So This really shouldn't be a criticism of windows 8 because it's really not about being intuitive or not - it's really just because it's different, and people (not all) don't like change. That's not to say windows 8 is perfect because it is not and I've posted some pretty clear criticisms myself, as have others, despite what certain other people may try to tell you. None of us think it's perfect, lol.

Anyway, it's fortunate that you just don't have to use the OS at all. So if it really does rile you that badly, then the choice is a simple one - don't. Nobody in their right mind would pull you up for that.
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I haven't told anyone to get over anything.

All of my criticisms of win 8 are based on my experience, none are baseless. The example of using windows update - on win 7 I typed start and update and clicked on windows update, if you do it through metro it brings up the update metro app, which is crap. As we had already discussed before you waded in, you can do it an alternate way which brings up the proper interface which is better.

Now my criticisms of the OS are shared by others reading some reviews, yet mention them in this thread and people get tetchy or tell me I'm doing it wrong by refusing to follow the norm - I don't like the changes that have been made, I'm entitled to not like it and have outlined why. I don't care if you like it, that's irrelevant to me, you are entitled to your opinion just as I am. I want to vent my frustrations with this software, not argue with those of you who think its the second coming.

I do think it is reasonable for a new OS to either follow the previous one in ways of doing things unless a better way is possible. My experience of windows 8 is that there are many familiar things buried underneath a UI that doesn't gel together and doesn't make anything easier for my usage. I don't use my computer like a phone, so I don't want my OS to be that of a phone.

If I have to google to find where the power off option is does that really sound like a well designed OS?

To my eye it seems win 8 is two separate OSs, the Xbox like metro OS, and the underlying desktop OS. Both have their place, but it's by forcing you to use both that it becomes a problem.

Now I like little bits of 8, it's very quick to boot for instance, but so far that's all I can see any real progress over 7. Fortunately I can go back to 7, and at the moment I can see no argument not to - although I have to say I'm less than impressed there is no easy process to do this. Fortunately I have WHS backups of my install so it shouldn't be too painful.
 
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