So the moon landing was faked!

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

But the main reason we haven't been back is fairly simple.
Without the cold war (or a similar situation) there is zero political will to spend the money on going back to the moon (it was effectively a huge willy waving competition to show which political view point was "better").

Thats the official excuse but I don't buy it for one minute. I'm sure China would go just for the prestige but they know it's not even possible. The idea is absurd it's like saying someone flew across the Atlantic in 1919 and no one ever tried since.

When it gets to 2069 and still no one has been to the moon do you think people will still accept the same excuse. All they are doing really is taking the mickey out of the general public.
 
Good grief how hard is it not to click on a thread you think is tedious?
It's embarrassing to think that grown adults don't know how to do this.

Because I have been involved and contributed but I see no evolution of debate that's all. I came in to see if it had evolved since my contribution and merely pointing out my incredulity at the circular and inconclusive nature of the thread.

So I'm asking you nicely to stay out of the thread and leave it to people like me who are enjoying it no matter how many circles it goes around.

And I'm asking you to kindly to let me give my opinions on it. Then again it is rather telling and no surprise, that you would like such circular and mind numbing simpleness. I hope you continue to enjoy it. :)
 
Thats the official excuse but I don't buy it for one minute. I'm sure China would go just for the prestige but they know it's not even possible. The idea is absurd it's like saying someone flew across the Atlantic in 1919 and no one ever tried since.

When it gets to 2069 and still no one has been to the moon do you think people will still accept the same excuse. All they are doing really is taking the mickey out of the general public.

Except that:

A: From memory China has said it wants to get man on the moon again, but they're not in a rush to do it (instead they're letting their space plans evolve at a rate that isn't going to make a huge dent in their finances)

and

B: The cost of crossing the Atlantic in an aircraft is tiny in comparison to the cost of getting to the moon, and you can reuse the aircraft almost in it's entirety apart from maintenance items, whilst a moon shot effectively involves throwing away everything (even bits that can be reused have to be rebuilt for every trip).
Let alone the commercial and military reasons to keep doing atlantic crossings in aircraft...(none of which are there for moon shots).

In the early days of air travel much of the work was also done by private individuals, or companies, something you can't really do with space travel to the moon (although we are at last reaching the point where commercial travel to orbit by private companies is becoming possible, largely due to new technologies that make it cheaper, and building on work from the government agencies).

I don't think anyone has claimed we didn't put men into orbit in the shuttles, and yet we don't have them any more, and are unlikely to get anything with their full versatility for years/decades for much the same reason we don't have manned missions to the moon.
The shuttles were extremely expensive to run, required massive overhauls between missions, and most of what they could do, can be done cheaper with other equipment now.
 
Thats the official excuse but I don't buy it for one minute. I'm sure China would go just for the prestige but they know it's not even possible. The idea is absurd it's like saying someone flew across the Atlantic in 1919 and no one ever tried since.

Are you being stupid on purpose?

The two scenarios are completely different for the reason that's already been carefully explained to you - a combination of usefulness and cost.

Flying people to the moon is extremely expensive and almost useless.

Flying people across the Atlantic is quite cheap and very useful.

You must be being stupid on purpose because if you really were stupid enough to think that the two scenarios are comparable then you'd be too stupid to be able to write.

As for China doing it for the prestige...what prestige? Woo, they wasted billions doing something useless that other people have already done anyway. No prestige to be had there. The moon landings were a response to a very specific set of circumstances - conflict between two political systems, each backed by a superpower and each trying to sway other countries around the world by saying that their system produced better results more quickly. The USSR put space travel on the world stage as a measure of results in the form of advances in technology and inspirational courage. The USA had to respond in some way and the most effective way was to convincingly outdo the USSR in a dramatic way. It wasn't just willy-waving. It had very real global political relevance.

When it gets to 2069 and still no one has been to the moon do you think people will still accept the same excuse. All they are doing really is taking the mickey out of the general public.

Your silly faith is not the general public. And yes, it is a silly faith. It's worse than religions because the core of religions are non-falsifiable beliefs. Your faith is a falsifiable belief and it has been falsified. It makes no sense and it's proven false by a compelling quantity and quality of evidence. Even if your propaganda is successful in conditioning a majority of the population to stop thinking, it would still be wrong.

People may return to the moon by 2069 and they may not. It will depend on exactly the same factors it has depended on ever since the 1950s when it first became potentially possible - the combination of cost and usefulness.

This is not a difficult concept to understand. There's nothing on the moon worth the cost of sending people there. Simple as that.
 
Thats the official excuse but I don't buy it for one minute. I'm sure China would go just for the prestige but they know it's not even possible. The idea is absurd it's like saying someone flew across the Atlantic in 1919 and no one ever tried since.

When it gets to 2069 and still no one has been to the moon do you think people will still accept the same excuse. All they are doing really is taking the mickey out of the general public.

It's so absurd that privately funded teams are competing to be on the moon by a 2015 deadline worth 30million in prize funds + bonus' for several things, including surveying past missions.


Yet another crackpot to add to the growing list.
 
It's a shame folks can't have a civilised conversation without the personal attacks.

Don't do it gillywibble, they'll jump on it like a pack of hounds and find a morsel of incorrect information which somehow proves the entire reference wrong.

Anyway, what about the photo's that BBC showed during the live astronomy show last year? They showed the rover tracks on the moon and the rover apparently.
 
Don't do it gillywibble, they'll jump on it like a pack of hounds and find a morsel of incorrect information which somehow proves the entire reference wrong.

No, we will prove his whole reference wrong with science.

however, one thing is true, we should do it without insults.
 
I don't know whether to vote 5 stars because some of the comedy in this thread is of the highest standard, I mean really, really crazy words from some of GD's finest mentals, or whether to vote 1 because when I stop laughing I feel so sad that people don't believe we've been to the moon and these people don't know anything about, well, anything, and further to this refuse to be educated because 'LOL SHEEPLE'.

Special thanks to timbob for some great, non-mental, posts. Good work, sir :)
 
Unlike the movies, they are not big rockets, they are also throttled back and then shut down, unlike the movies they don't hover and kick up a shed load of dust.
Also without an atmosphere there's little to no movement of dust, so it falls straight back down following gravities path, rather than on earth where you get dust clouds.

There is an atmosphere, it's a small atmosphere of dust. Not very dense though.
 
So in 1969 man landed on the moon, 250,000 miles from earth and in 2013 no manned spacecraft can go more than 400 miles from earth. Lol, pull the other one.

Aaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahahhahaha mega lolz

You appear to know nothing about physics, let alone orbital mechanics, go play kerbal space program you fruit cake.

Pro tip: its a lot lot lot harder to get something into low earth orbit than it is to move from orbit to the moon. Fyi Saturn v on a moon shot was a silly low orbit of just over 120 miles, as it only did 2 orbits of earth so atmospheric drag was less of a concern....also the lower u are the less fuel u need to go to the moon.....but you wont understand why because u don't understand physics. Q omg if they were goin the moon why start as low as u can comments....
 
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Out of the loop for the last 10+ pages but guessing it's more of the same. So one week later......does this mean we will get this infamous original recipe report from GW?
 
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