Where do I stand?

the obvious first action should be go to the agent (or phone) that has your money, and try and have a nice civilised conversation along the lines of

"bit of a mess, but $%^& happens, do you have another property ready for me (that I like) or can I have the money back now since I need to find someone where to live today"

then kick off if they refuse to give the money back - I cannot see how or why they could keep anything unless its a scam...

if you kick off like an ass from the word go they are more likely to have you removed / refuse to deal with you and follow some slow complicated process as stated in the contract...

Or, alternatively, they can see you as a push over and will constantly fob you off. I've seen it both ways. I've seen people literally stand there until there was a refund given (when being constantly told it was not available then given just to get rid off them).

If you have a police reference number then I'd certainly take my chance sitting in there office causing a fuss and advising anyone who enters not to go with them as they've just conned me out of £x and not provided me somewhere to live. The reason for the police reference number is so that if they do attend you can at least argue it sensibly.

Good luck - it's not a situation I'd want to be in!



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I understand this. Don't they have to have a copy with both my signature in pen and one of theirs.

Currently they only have a scanned copy I sent them.

Speaking with the LL, she has had nothing in relation to me, no references, etc...

I'm quite sure that at least one contract needs to be signed in pen by both parties in front of a witness who counter signs the contract. I think the only reason you would have a faxed or scanned copy is so that you can read the contract in good time before it come to the day on completion to make sure you are happy with the terms.

With regards to the landlord having references for you, it's not unusual for the landlord not to have references because that's part of the job they instructed the agent to do. They might ask to see copies of the references before hand, but a lot of landlords just take on verbal trust that the references have been obtained and that they are good.
When you placed your holding deposit you would have had to fill out some forms with regards to what you do for work, how long you have been there, salary and if it's permanent etc. The agency would have provided this information when they tied up the offer with the landlord and the references would just need to confirm what you have already told them, thus not all landlords ask for physical copies of the references and will just take verbal confirmation.

It's not your responsibility to ask to see proof that the agent has instructions to let a property, there's an element of trust between a tenant and an agency that they have their paperwork in order. Even if you had of asked to see paperwork to see that the agency were instructed by the landlord (the agent having keys is a bit of a give away), and although its a bad thing to do the landlord can pull out of the deal right up until just before the contract is signed.
What's in question is if your agency was in contact with the landlord through the vetting process and actually agreed the terms of you moving in with them? Also if they have signed instruction to let the property?

I also agree with the above that seeing as the agency has all your money and references, ask them if they have somewhere else available for you to move into today? Otherwise, it's on them to sort it out with the landlord for you to move into your original property today or give you back all your money and possibly references (if you obtained them for them) so you can sort somewhere else with another agent asap.

The only reason the agent want to keep the money is so that they can take their letting fee from it for letting the property, but seeing as it sounds like they have not created a legal contract and completed their job to the point of where you are all moved into the property, they have no right to charge the landlord a fee, especially if they have no signed terms and conditions with the landlord.

It's a very bad situation for you that not your fault, and either the landlord or agents are lying to you :(
 
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If you have a police reference number then I'd certainly take my chance sitting in there office causing a fuss and advising anyone who enters not to go with them as they've just conned me out of £x and not provided me somewhere to live. The reason for the police reference number is so that if they do attend you can at least argue it sensibly.

This is definitely what I'd be doing - for maximum effect, maybe ~30 mins before they close as they'll be wanting rid of you ASAP so they can go home.

Came close to doing this to a letting agency myself (they're all scum :mad:) but thankfully a firmly worded email to the MD mentioning "OFT" and "local press" got a full refund before it got to that stage!
 
they're all scum :mad:

Not all :p, Although I have been out of it for 7 years, I worked in letting for 12 years and although bad situations happen, it was very rarely of my own doing! In fact, I used to get thank you card's and letters of support written to the directors of the company saying what a good job I had done for people.
But I do know there are some unscrupulous unprofessional agents out there and it's a bit of a cut throat industry.
 
I would have never left the property until it was resolved. Police said it was a civil matter. who arrived first you or the LL?
 
I would have never left the property until it was resolved. Police said it was a civil matter. who arrived first you or the LL?

I had my girlfriend there at the time, if she wasn't there I would have done exactly this.

Given how all the agency staff behaved, I feared for her safety. It was ridiculous, they all called all of their friends down aswell.
 
I had a similarish issue when I was at Uni.

We found a house we liked, had a couple of viewings and then agreed to rent it and signed the contract with the agency. It was a nice place and we had to pay in advance for occupancy over the summer months, although nobody was intending to move in until September when term started up.

A housemate who lived nearby went to pickup the keys over summer, only to find out that the actual Landlord/Owner of the property had decided to rent it out to another group of students who had already moved in, bypassing the agency he used.

Luckily for us, the agency found us a bigger property which was actually closer to Uni, so it didn't turn out to be too much hassle. If we had problems getting money back, then I would think we would have had to seek legal advice. However, my assumption is that the Landlord must have broken a contract with the agency, which again is something I've seen happen with another landlord and agency when I was living abroad. Presumably an agency could take legal action, but I would think its probably all a bit of hassle, as obviously they need Landlords turning over their properties to be able to make money, so don't want to tread on too many toes.
 
I used to get thank you card's and letters of support written to the directors of the company saying what a good job I had done for people.

Surely that on it's own is enough to make you realise how unusual it is for a letting agent to be professional and honest? :p

I had my girlfriend there at the time, if she wasn't there I would have done exactly this.

Given how all the agency staff behaved, I feared for her safety. It was ridiculous, they all called all of their friends down aswell.

Was this your agency or the other agency?
 
I had my girlfriend there at the time, if she wasn't there I would have done exactly this.

Given how all the agency staff behaved, I feared for her safety. It was ridiculous, they all called all of their friends down aswell.

Nightmare situation to be in. I parents were in a vaguely similar situation. My dad had bought and paid for a Hymer which was just shy of a 100k. They went to pick it up only to be told they could not have it as the company had gone bust. My dad had the keys to it so they locked themselves inside until it was resolved. It's funny now but tempers were stretched and my mum threw a brick through their office window! she was facing prosecution for vandalism at one point.
 
Refuse to speak to the agents anyways...it will not help get anything done. I had already spoken to the boss of the agency on Saturday who said I weren't getting any money.

Everything now will be done via email, fax and recorded mail.

Time to call the police again then I would imagine. Surely refusing to give you your money pushes this into the realms of theft/fraud
 
Just from reading the OP, and not the thread, you were foolish to move in without a copy of the agreement.

I presume you have a copy, you just couldnt produce it infront of the police :) If you've never had a copy, thats bad.
 
So they took all your money for a property they weren't authorised to let?
And you now have no where to live?

What did they say when you explained it to them in the manner above?
Do they expect you to suck up a months rent, months deposit, and agency fees and move on? Really!?
 
Haha brilliant, letting agency turf wars!!

Obviously I don't mean brilliant that you're stuck in the middle - why are you not in their office right now kicking up a stink?
 
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