Supplements the debate/discussion thread
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£40 for 2.25kg of protein... 
Damn that's a colossal bargain! 
What is the designed for the military all about anyway? I don't know anyone that uses, nor do we get a discount on it? Or will the military in anyway ever ever give us it for free.
Pretty dodgy marketing scheme that if you ask me.
They don't even deliver to BFPO addresses yet.
What is the designed for the military all about anyway? I don't know anyone that uses, nor do we get a discount on it? Or will the military in anyway ever ever give us it for free.
Pretty dodgy marketing scheme that if you ask me.
They don't even deliver to BFPO addresses yet.
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Begbie everyone knows that if it's endorsed by the military then it gives you an instant six pack because call of duty. FACT
To be honest, i have no idea i just turn up for shoots, and go home. Oh and use their protein
Agreed.
Out of interest, for those of you who really want to experiment, have you tried using steroids?
I never wanted to become huge, but I know there are some on this forum who would love to have the American wrestler, beefcake look. Almost certainly, to be huge AND ripped, chemical assistance will be required. Have any of you gone down that road and if so, what were the affects?
I never wanted to become huge, but I know there are some on this forum who would love to have the American wrestler, beefcake look. Almost certainly, to be huge AND ripped, chemical assistance will be required. Have any of you gone down that road and if so, what were the affects?
Yep there are a couple of users on the forum, can't really have a great discussion about it on here though.
Join the FB group https://www.facebook.com/groups/470193513012124/ and I'm sure they'll reveal all.
Emailed them asking if we get a discount etc. Supposedly they give you one after the first purchase then 10% after. Told them thanks, but no thanks.
Got another email back telling me, pretty much, that I won't be able to use TPW and MP soon as they don't offer ' HFL informed sport certification ' and are being banned by the military!
Hahahaha, well for one the MP websites says they do and the Military would never ever get away with that. As long as it can be bought in the UK its perfectly fine.
Can't even be bothered to reply, to someone who can't do their research.
He did kindly give me a discount code.
Why the cloak and dagger, regarding steroids?
Providing you are not competing in an IOC event, I can't see the harm in them. Like anything, if you abuse it, it could do you harm (that includes cigs and alcohol, which are available at any supermarket), but providing you take them correctly, they are merely a supplement, like any other mentioned in this thread.
IOC? I'm going to assume you mean ANY competition that follows WADA guidelines
Steroids on the other hand aren't available at any supermarket
They're medical drugs in the most part and therefore if nothing else they would come under the forums no medical thread rules.
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It's not exactly cloak and dagger but as said the discussion of steroids and the taking of them is something that we don't want on the forums. Posters are good enough to respect that request and take it away from here, if people want to discuss it elsewhere that is up to them.
That is very definition of cloak and dagger. The issue* exists, but nobody wants to talk about it. They prefer to brush it under the carpet and pretend the issue does not exist. Nobody wants or is permitted to openly talk about the subject, which is integral to sports supplementation.
*the issue being steroids.
However, the forums are run by OCUK and they make the rules, so I guess we must follow those rules.
Point taken.
Moving back onto the topic of supplements....
HMB: I've been using this stuff for about 2 months. I'm not sure if it makes any difference to my power or physique, but it certainly helps me sleep deeper. No question about it. Years ago, I tried Nytol to help regulate my sleep and that stuff was useless. I pulled an all-nighter (studying for exam next day) and completely forgot I took some. That was the last time I took that useless tablet. HMB is a great sleeping aid.
L Glutamine powder: I am currently trying this out. I have been on it continuously for about 2 months. I'm undecided about this. There was a thread made by someone who suggests taking purely L-Glutamine in the mornings, then not eating for at least 45 minutes. Apparently, this makes a person look better (better skin, etc). So I've been dosing as per his guide lines for the last week or so. I will let you know how I get on.
Whey protein: of course, this is a no-brainer.
Superpump 250 Max: I've tried out many pre-workout supps and this works the best, for me. It increases my heart-rate and makes me alter (improved focus). It also improves my physical performance.
ECA stack: when cutting, this is without doubt, the best stack I have used. The rest just don't work. This stack kills your hunger. It gives you a physical and psychological boost, allowing you to train at high intensity for extended periods of time. Ephedrine is banned by most anti-doping authorities and should not be overdosed on. I've been using this stuff for the last 10 years during my cutting phase with no problems (though I am careful on dosage).
Fine milled oats: I've had these in my protein shake and they mix well.
I have mixed feelings about oat supplements. If you are desperately trying to pack on mass at any cost (or involved in endurance sports), I'd certainly use this supplement, but for most purposes I can't see why I would use an oat supplement, vs "normal" food.
Freefaller gave me a good reply earlier on this thread regarding the benefits of oats. I would reply and state that most of what he stated can be achieved by a slice of bread. Furthermore, by adding some butter and tuna to the bread, you can easily turn that into a filling/tasty/healthy snack. You can't do this with the oat supplement.
Summary
IMO, caffeine is arguably the the best supplement for exercise. Pre-workout supps normally contain caffeine and some form of creatine.
Caffiene is also used in ECA stacks to remove fat from the body.
Whey protein is also a great supplement.
I feel that other supplements offer poor value for money, given the benefits they bring to the table. I'd rather spend the money on (real) food.
The above are my opinions of taking supplements for many years. I hope I haven't offended anybody.
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SPW already answered this from a Don's point of view.
However, why even suggest experimenting with exogenous hormones - it's not for casual conversation, especially not a forum - and it's not as if you can just medical supplies in a shop!
There are some people on here who ride the bike. And some who don't who are big beefcakes and most of us are more interested in doing things naturally - because taking the sort of supplements you're suggesting are not to be discussed in a trivial/matter-of-factly way. Just like any drug, it's abuse, and lack of knowledge can lead to very serious implications from, gyno and infertility as well as serious cholesterol and blood pressure increases to at worse, death. The list is large.
The natural supplements discussed in this thread will generally not cause any significant issues other than perhaps, headaches, flatulence or short term intolerances to them
There aren't that many bodybuilders on here either which is generally where messing about with your body's hormones is beneficial.
If you want to discuss it more openly join the facebook group or chat about it on forums that allow it. This is not the place for it.